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Adventurer
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 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: Chess star squares up to Putin |
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Last Updated: Friday, 13 April 2007, 12:05 GMT 13:05 UK
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Chess star squares up to Putin
By James Rodgers
BBC News, Moscow
Garry Kasparov is now a prominent critic of President Putin
Former world chess champion Garry Kasparov sees his campaign to change Russia as a mission to safeguard constitutional rights.
"It's a very important battle," he told the BBC, at the end of a news conference which he and his political allies had called to outline their plans for a protest on Saturday.
He has assembled a bewilderingly broad coalition. It includes former Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov and the extremist National Bolshevik Party.
The NBP has become known for audacious stunts aimed at embarrassing the establishment. Nevertheless, their flag borrows heavily from Nazi imagery - a hammer and sickle replaces the swastika. They hardly seem likely partners for Western-style democrats.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6551725.stm |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I saw his interview.
And how he neatly sidestepped blaming Putin for the murder of anna polinskaya (sp?).
The only politicians willing to openly blame putin are in exile it would appear.
They've detained him anyway...
Police detain Kasparov at Moscow march
By MIKE ECKEL, Associated Press Writer
6 minutes ago
MOSCOW - Police detained Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion who now leads one of Russia's strongest opposition movements, and at least 100 other activists Saturday as they gathered for a forbidden anti-Kremlin demonstration in central Moscow.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070414/ap_on_re_eu/russia_protests
Looks like Putins bringing down the iron fist harder every day. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Putin has proven again the rule that I had small hopes he'd be the exception to: You can never trust an ex-KGB man.
He needs to be brought down and fast. It will be interesting to see if the exiled Russians in the U.K. with the rubles can arrange it without a bloody coup.[/b] |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| He needs to be brought down |
Thats not what most Russians think however. He's very popular. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I watched the images of the protest on Euronews. Oddly fascist, how they didn't even let them protest (or hardly) before rushing in and beating away and then shuttling them off......
I have gained more respect for Kasparov and he along with Berezovsky have been sticking their necks out more and more. Berezovsky oddly even given the fact that he could have his refugee protection revoked by London for propagating ideas such as this below...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2056321,00.html
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The Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky has told the Guardian he is plotting the violent overthrow of President Putin from his base in Britain after forging close contacts with members of Russia's ruling elite.
In comments which appear calculated to enrage the Kremlin, and which will further inflame relations between London and Moscow, the multimillionaire claimed he was already bankrolling people close to the president who are conspiring to mount a palace coup. |
Yes, far from becoming a reality but atleast he has put his money where his mouth is (along with his taste for 1,000 dollar plates of truffle pasta) and has spoken out strongly against the continued atrocities in Chechna and the murderer/thug Putin set on the thrown there.
But I still buy the idea that Russia will indeed become a country capable of abandoning the strongman model and fostering "rights" and "freedoms"......but it will take some time and generational decay.
DD |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| I have more respect for Kasparov. I have question marks surrounding the oligarch Berezovksy an erstwhile ally of Boris Yeltsin. It is clear, though, that Putin has targeted many wealthy Russian Jews like the head of Yukos. I am not sure all those charges against the owner of Yukos are fair. He seems quite harsh with the oligarchs. It is no question that Putin is acting in a fascist manner. It is believed that woman journalist who was murdered may have been murdered by a Chechnyan ally of Putin. We are not sure. |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Putin has proven again the rule that I had small hopes he'd be the exception to: You can never trust an ex-KGB man. |
If he's not murdered (heart attack, Diana-styled car "accident" etc.) the Russian people could very well put him in the Kremlin.
How popular is he with the Ruskies? He's at least as smart as Poohtee & quite charismatic, no?
Almost certainly far more ethical  
What do polls suggest?
Bottom line: IF a real & legitimate election were allowed to occur it would be extremely interesting & offer a potential ground-breaking test for a grand new Russian "democracy"  |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
I watched the images of the protest on Euronews. Oddly fascist, how they didn't even let them protest (or hardly) before rushing in and beating away and then shuttling them off......
I have gained more respect for Kasparov and he along with Berezovsky have been sticking their necks out more and more. Berezovsky oddly even given the fact that he could have his refugee protection revoked by London for propagating ideas such as this below...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2056321,00.html
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The Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky has told the Guardian he is plotting the violent overthrow of President Putin from his base in Britain after forging close contacts with members of Russia's ruling elite.
In comments which appear calculated to enrage the Kremlin, and which will further inflame relations between London and Moscow, the multimillionaire claimed he was already bankrolling people close to the president who are conspiring to mount a palace coup. |
Yes, far from becoming a reality but atleast he has put his money where his mouth is (along with his taste for 1,000 dollar plates of truffle pasta) and has spoken out strongly against the continued atrocities in Chechna and the murderer/thug Putin set on the thrown there.
But I still buy the idea that Russia will indeed become a country capable of abandoning the strongman model and fostering "rights" and "freedoms"......but it will take some time and generational decay.
DD |
Berezovsky is a blowhard. Coup d'etats in nuclear-armed countries are not to be taken lightly.
Berezovsky is also a Russian Mobster.
It isn't courage when you announce to everyone that you are prepared to finance (with dirty money) a revolution in a nuclear power. It's being a blowhard, and in this case it is probably a bluff anyway. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Berezovsky is a blowhard. Coup d'etats in nuclear-armed countries are not to be taken lightly.
Berezovsky is also a Russian Mobster.
It isn't courage when you announce to everyone that you are prepared to finance (with dirty money) a revolution in a nuclear power. It's being a blowhard, and in this case it is probably a bluff anyway. |
Kuros,
It is all smoke and mirrors, to call "Berezovsky" a gangster. by your standards, half of the corporate board members of the Fortune 500 would be high level "gangsters".
I do agree he benefited greatly from his "closeness' to Yeltsin and from ruthless dealing in the economic world post 19993/94. But he isn't killing anyone or torturing or hiring gangs (other than the security entourage that even American capitalists have....).
But the issue isn't the dirtyness of his money. the issue is Putin and the society that is being created in Russia. It was so hope filled, that time after Gorbachov finally gave up the ghost and everything opened up. what fresh air! Are we to now say, let it all happen again? It was for naught?
Berezovsky reminds me of Tymoshenko. She is a rich brat in Ukraine. Made her money through her smarts, capitalistic takeovers in the early days. The president then tried to temper her idealism, swagger. She ended up in prison (yes, a real one, not the lawn and garden type awarded the suits here in America) and after a year got released. Did she back off? No. She realized that if it could happen to her, her with her millions upon millions, it could happen to everyone. She came out fighting and Ukraine is better for it. (and I do fault Berezovsky for not backing her instead of the sell out Yushenko.).
Maybe Berezovsky is a blow hard.....but people have to keep the pressure on. The west has done a very poor job at this. We just look away at all the atrocities and injustices in Russia, as in China. Just let us have access to your markets, is our only concern. Not my wish.
Britain is to be congratulated continually for offering Berezovsky asylum and it would be a poor day if it is revoked. I'd also suggest you think twice about that label of "gangster" used when referring to Russian businessmen. I lived in E. Europe and people constantly thought of me as a "ganster" / "mafia" , simply because I didn't have any regular job and still had some money in my pocket. The slavs use that word liberally and we'd be wrong to just pick the term up and run with it....
DD |
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