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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: forcing a 7 yr old to go to hakwon Reply with quote

and by force, i mean picking him up, carrying him, despite his cries and tears, and the staff will plop him down in the teacher's classroom for his lesson

apparently this has been going on for some time, i'm new, when they brought him to me crying i thought he just had a bad day

i managed to quell his tears, then he told me how hungry he was, his english is very good, later he told me he's always hungry - no wonder, being dragged around so much

this kid is so stressed out, he's so young, my heart goes out to him, i can't believe how idiotic some parents can be to force education on their children this way.

did i say idiotic? hell they should be prosecuted Evil or Very Mad

and no, i don't feel complicit. i listen, don't push and try and just nurture the child as long as he's in my care. i even did something i rarely do - i gave him a piece of candy.

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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Draz



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's acting out for attention so actually you are complicit by giving it to him.
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VanIslander



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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
He's acting out for attention so actually you are complicit by giving it to him.

exactly what i was going to say

he will always be "hungry" if you keep feeding him!
you are his teacher not his parent: unless he looks anorexic to the bone, no need to give him food
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AwesomeA



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Draz wrote:
He's acting out for attention so actually you are complicit by giving it to him.

exactly what i was going to say

he will always be "hungry" if you keep feeding him!
you are his teacher not his parent: unless he looks anorexic to the bone, no need to give him food


Heartless chumps.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started kindergarten on my 5th birthday. I REALLY didn't want to go to school. My parents forced education on me against my will. Should I have reported my parents for child abuse?
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP- Happens all of the time. It's part of growing up.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: forcing a 7 yr old to go to hakwon Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
and by force, i mean picking him up, carrying him, despite his cries and tears, and the staff will plop him down in the teacher's classroom for his lesson

I saw it all the time back home, too. Kindergarten, grade one, karate lessons, soccer, little league, Beavers (scouting that comes before cub scouts). So?

Acting out is acting out. Just ignore it and don't give attention to it. Extinction of the behaviour requires ignoring the behaviour, not giving it attention.
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nobbyken



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK, everyone starts school at 5 years old.
My first day included running home (about a km) in tears once or twice, and a thankful sigh at the end of the day, "I'm glad thats over!".
Then I realised I had to go back the next day, LOL.

I grew to love education.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: forcing a 7 yr old to go to hakwon Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
So? Acting out is acting out. Just ignore it and don't give attention to it. Extinction of the behaviour requires ignoring the behaviour, not giving it attention.


so a 7 yr old should be at home in the evening, not at school

he's not even in class w/other students, just a teacher, sometimes me, sometimes another one

fyi, acting out is only a SYMPTOM, and this kid is under extreme duress, it's so evident. i have no doubt he wants attention - he wants to feel safe, right now he's starting to understand he has no control over his life (he doesn't) and he doesn't like what's happening to him.

i happen to agree.

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moosehead



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Draz wrote:
He's acting out for attention so actually you are complicit by giving it to him.

exactly what i was going to say

he will always be "hungry" if you keep feeding him!
you are his teacher not his parent: unless he looks anorexic to the bone, no need to give him food



yes, i am his teacher, and in that regard i should not look the other way when i see injustice done - or scoff at the grief cast my way by the tears of a small child.

i plan on keeping crackers in my desk from now on just for him.

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Juregen



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead, do you have kids?
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagwons are a form of child abuse in this country
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you can always give him food, but don't be surprised if one day you get swarmed by Korean children also asking for food, and then getting upset if you don't have any, because since you gave some to him, you should also give some to everyone else.

Also, don't be surprised if they complain to their parents about you being a horrible teacher, but not explaining that it's because you didn't give them food. At this point, don't be surprised if the hagwon owner decides to talk to you about it, but instead of telling you exactly what the problem is, tells you instead that you need to make your classes more fun and give out more rewards. Then don't be surprised if all the children lose all respect for you and don't listen to you and treat you like crap while expecting you to give them candy and food and presents everyday.
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
moosehead, do you have kids?


I have a child. She is 2, aka terrible 2. I have first hand experience of my own child acting up and pretending.

I happen to think that it's wrong to be sending children that young to hagwons.

You cannot compare kindergarten to hagwon. Kindergarten is perceived to be proper schooling. Hagwon is extra and not very necessary, in my opinion.
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