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huffdaddy
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 Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: Winning the War on Terror |
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Moving this http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=84171&start=41 to its own thread.
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| You over estimate the effectiveness of police states. You also over estimate their willingness to cooperate with the US just because we can point a few weapons at them from outer space. |
How many anti US states in the mideast have been overthrown ? You underestimate how effective they are. |
One? Heck of a lot of good that did. If you think overthrowing anti-US governments is going to end terrorism, you've been living in a cave.
If you think pointing a few weapons at people will get them to cooperate, you've been living in that cave by yourself.
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| And the US hasn't really tried a program of assassination in the middle east . |
And you think that will eliminate terrorists? Are we going to assassinate every single one of them?
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Besides as I said that weapon will be able to destroy Irans nuclear program once and for all. If Iran does any thing like the Khobar barricks ever again the US destroys Iran's nuclear program.Nothing Iran can do about it. Simple.
Also if the US used such weapon against Iran's military what would be the result?
If and when the US has such stuff. Iran is under control again. Game over.
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they can not be allowed to have any strategic benefit from nuclear weapons. |
Which has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorists don't need nuclear weapons. Nor do they need the support of governments.
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| Sure, and since it's so effective, why don't we use it to end all crime in America. |
the US has used the same laws to deal with organzied crime.
Organized crime is more under control that it was before RICO. |
If you've think we've won the war against organized crime, I'd hate to have to live with victory in the war on terror. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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| Sure, and since it's so effective, why don't we use it to end all crime in America. |
the US has used the same laws to deal with organzied crime.
Organized crime is more under control that it was before RICO. |
If you've think we've won the war against organized crime, I'd hate to have to live with victory in the war on terror. |
Indeed. I'd like to see some figure that America is winning the war on organized crime, vs it's simply not in the headlines. What happened to the war on drugs? Did they fix that up?
I think the only way to win the war on terrorism is:
a) war of attrition, kill all muslim adults and children before they kill all our adults and children
b) hope anyone who wants to level a gun at a white gets a good job soon |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Nice. Is that better than calling someone an idiot? Just branding all adult males of a given religion not worth anything more than genocide?
Beautiful.
Fucking A. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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By their own people , I am saying what anti US regime in the mideast has been overthrown by their own people?
ZERO
why cause mideast regimes take care of those they don't like when they want to.
Get them to kill their elites who support Al Qaeda.
If they don't start killing the leaders or the elites of the governments.
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Heck of a lot of good that did. If you think overthrowing anti-US governments is going to end terrorism, you've been living in a cave. |
In the mideast the governments take out w
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ho they want to take out.
If you think pointing a few weapons at people will get them to cooperate, you've been living in that cave by yourself. |
It will do wonders for dealing with Iran.
And the US hasn't really tried a program of assassination in the middle east .
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And you think that will eliminate terrorists? Are we going to assassinate every single one of them? |
It might eliminate elites who fund them. It might scare governments. We haven't done it enough to see.
Besides as I said that weapon will be able to destroy Irans nuclear program once and for all. If Iran does any thing like the Khobar barricks ever again the US destroys Iran's nuclear program.Nothing Iran can do about it. Simple.
Also if the US used such weapon against Iran's military what would be the result?
If and when the US has such stuff. Iran is under control again. Game over.
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they can not be allowed to have any strategic benefit from nuclear weapons.
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Which has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorists don't need nuclear weapons. Nor do they need the support of governments. |
Iran supports terror they support Hizzbollah . They hit the US at Khobar. If the US has the right weapons Iran won't do it again.
If and when the US has the weapons in the photographs Iran is off the board.
That is 1/3 of the terror equation right there.
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If you've think we've won the war against organized crime, I'd hate to have to live with victory in the war on terror. |
Won the war no is it better than it was sure.
and since the US has had the Patriot act there is empirical evidence that the US has had some success in stopping terrorists in the US. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Nice. Is that better than calling someone an idiot? Just branding all adult males of a given religion not worth anything more than genocide?
Beautiful.
*beep* A. |
Did you lose all ability to understand sarcasm? |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Pretty sick distance to go. It didn't read as sarcasm. Work on the delivery, I suppose. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
By their own people , I am saying what anti US regime in the mideast has been overthrown by their own people?
ZERO
why cause mideast regimes take care of those they don't like when they want to.
Get them to kill their elites who support Al Qaeda.
If they don't start killing the leaders or the elites of the governments. |
Even if they put their heart and soul into it, police states can't completely control their own people. See Tiananmen and Andijon as two examples. And what makes you think they'd put their heart and soul into assisting the US? The US can't even get 100% cooperation from its supposed allies. See Italy as an example.
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| And you think that will eliminate terrorists? Are we going to assassinate every single one of them? |
It might eliminate elites who fund them. It might scare governments. We haven't done it enough to see. |
Even eliminating the odious nature of such an assassination program, there's no logical basis for believing such a thing would have a chance of working.
Terrorism doesn't need high level government assistance to work. 9/11 was funded for around $200,000. Other terroristic operations could be implemented for a whole lot less, see the DC sniper as an example.
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If and when the US has the weapons in the photographs Iran is off the board.
That is 1/3 of the terror equation right there. |
So what exactly is 1/3 of x?
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| If you've think we've won the war against organized crime, I'd hate to have to live with victory in the war on terror. |
Won the war no is it better than it was sure. |
Evidence?
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| and since the US has had the Patriot act there is empirical evidence that the US has had some success in stopping terrorists in the US. |
Evidence? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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Even if they put their heart and soul into it, police states can't completely control their own people. See Tiananmen and Andijon as two examples. And what makes you think they'd put their heart and soul into assisting the US? The US can't even get 100% cooperation from its supposed allies. See Italy as an example. |
See Algeria and Iraq they clobbered their militants.
See Saudi Arabia which beat the devil out of the branch of Al Qaeda that is out to overthrow the Saudi government.
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Even eliminating the odious nature of such an assassination program, there's no logical basis for believing such a thing would have a chance of working. |
If they are involved in the war against the US it is fair game.
Israel used similar tactics to cut down Hamas to size. Far less suicide bombing.
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Terrorism doesn't need high level government assistance to work. 9/11 was funded for around $200,000. Other terroristic operations could be implemented for a whole lot less, see the DC sniper as an example. |
Yes and Al Qaeda was being funded from the mideast and they needed the protection of Afghanistan.
Without those things they would have a lot less.
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| So what exactly is 1/3 of x? |
Iran is one of the leading sponsers of terror they would be a lot easier to handle . and one front would be taken care of.
John Gotti how are the organzied crime families doing on the east coast.
It is empirical evidence.
The Sears tower is still standing.
Is it cause Al Qaeda decided become a non violent movement? |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
By their own people , I am saying what anti US regime in the mideast has been overthrown by their own people?
ZERO
why cause mideast regimes take care of those they don't like when they want to.
Get them to kill their elites who support Al Qaeda.
If they don't start killing the leaders or the elites of the governments. |
Even if they put their heart and soul into it, police states can't completely control their own people. See Tiananmen and Andijon as two examples. And what makes you think they'd put their heart and soul into assisting the US? The US can't even get 100% cooperation from its supposed allies. See Italy as an example.
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| And you think that will eliminate terrorists? Are we going to assassinate every single one of them? |
It might eliminate elites who fund them. It might scare governments. We haven't done it enough to see. |
Even eliminating the odious nature of such an assassination program, there's no logical basis for believing such a thing would have a chance of working.
Terrorism doesn't need high level government assistance to work. 9/11 was funded for around $200,000. Other terroristic operations could be implemented for a whole lot less, see the DC sniper as an example.
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If and when the US has the weapons in the photographs Iran is off the board.
That is 1/3 of the terror equation right there. |
So what exactly is 1/3 of x?
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| If you've think we've won the war against organized crime, I'd hate to have to live with victory in the war on terror. |
Won the war no is it better than it was sure. |
Evidence?
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| and since the US has had the Patriot act there is empirical evidence that the US has had some success in stopping terrorists in the US. |
Evidence?[/quote
you are incorrect. Major terror organizations do require government support of a state at some elvel otherwise they wouldnt exist in any country long enough to become what Al qaeda essentially is: a terrorist army.
One who must be destroyed and crippled, a goal which can only be ahcieved by cutting off money and equipment to them. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty sick distance to go. It didn't read as sarcasm. Work on the delivery, I suppose. |
Dude. You really, really need to push your chair away from the computer some time.
But sick? Yes, some people in the Bush government really do think of it as a war against Islam. New baby muslims are being born every day. Muslim boys who have lost their fathers to the war on terrorism are becoming men every day and seeking payback. You can gain political capital by being anti-American.
What's the logical conclusion in the minds of those planning a war on terrorism? |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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Even if they put their heart and soul into it, police states can't completely control their own people. See Tiananmen and Andijon as two examples. And what makes you think they'd put their heart and soul into assisting the US? The US can't even get 100% cooperation from its supposed allies. See Italy as an example. |
See Algeria and Iraq they clobbered their militants.
See Saudi Arabia which beat the devil out of the branch of Al Qaeda that is out to overthrow the Saudi government. |
Even assuming that all government resistence was actually eliminated and not just suppressed (an untenable position, IMO), are you seriously suggeting we repeat Hussein's attrocities to win the war on terror?
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| Even eliminating the odious nature of such an assassination program, there's no logical basis for believing such a thing would have a chance of working. |
If they are involved in the war against the US it is fair game. |
And who gets to decide if they are involved in the war on terror?
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| Terrorism doesn't need high level government assistance to work. 9/11 was funded for around $200,000. Other terroristic operations could be implemented for a whole lot less, see the DC sniper as an example. |
Yes and Al Qaeda was being funded from the mideast and they needed the protection of Afghanistan.
Without those things they would have a lot less. |
Less maybe, but they wouldn't be powerless. It doesn't take much to get into the country and start causing terror. A few thousand bucks would give us another Blacksburg.
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| So what exactly is 1/3 of x? |
Iran is one of the leading sponsers of terror they would be a lot easier to handle . and one front would be taken care of. |
So what is 1/3 of x?
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John Gotti how are the organzied crime families doing on the east coast. |
Gotti  And we didn't need RICO to nail Capone. Which has little to do with the state of organized crime. Who's bringing all the drugs into the US? I'll look after work, but some statistics will be needed.
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It is empirical evidence.
The Sears tower is still standing.
Is it cause Al Qaeda decided become a non violent movement? |
The Sears Tower stood for almost 30 years before the Patriot Act was enacted as well. What kind of empirical evidence is that? Do you really believe that without the Patriot Act the Sears Tower would have been hit? Government agencies are actually paying closer attention and are cooperating. That is a lot more significant than the PA. Do you really think the reports we received pre-9/11 (without the PA) would now be ignored? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Winning the War on Terror |
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Even assuming that all government resistence was actually eliminated and not just suppressed (an untenable position, IMO), are you seriously suggeting we repeat Hussein's attrocities to win the war on terror?
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How did Saddam and Tito keep three diverse people, with generations of blood scores to settle, a nation? What happened to Yugoslavia (Igoslavia, We all go slavia!) after the strong man fell?
Did Bush think this was going to be easy? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH !!!
Guns, bombs & bullying? These merely feed the viscious circles of violence & HATE.
Peace & harmony can only arise through compassion, truth & wisdom.
This is an ancient law  |
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jinju
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH !!!
Guns, bombs & bullying? These merely feed the viscious circles of violence & HATE.
Peace & harmony can only arise through compassion, truth & wisdom.
This is an ancient law |
Lets all hold hands and sing kumbayah!!! Anyone know any Joan Baez tunes?
Holy cow are you lefties out to lunch.
Theres one way to cope with it. However hard they strike, we strike back with 100 times more force. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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NEWSFLASH !!!
Guns, bombs & bullying? These merely feed the viscious circles of violence & HATE.
Peace & harmony can only arise through compassion, truth & wisdom.
This is an ancient law |
Lets all hold hands and sing kumbayah!!! Anyone know any Joan Baez tunes?
Holy cow are you lefties out to lunch.
Theres one way to cope with it. However hard they strike, we strike back with 100 times more force. |
I can feel your anger. |
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