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"Dokdo" in the classroom
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: "Dokdo" in the classroom Reply with quote

So I'm giving my introductory lesson to high schoolers & allow them to ask me general questions near the end of it. Sure as kimchi, some budding nationalist asks me about Dokdo. Of course, I want to give one of two responses:

(1) Who gives a rat's patooey?
(2) Why would anyone of rational mind give a rat's patooey over a useless piece of rock in the Sea of Jap...er, sorry...East Sea? (Mind you, I'd ask the same thing of any Japanese who are hot & bothered about this, although I suspect there are precious few of them).

So, I say "I don't know(anthing about the dispute)". This never fails to elicit groans of disappointment. Damned if I'm going to feed their xenophobia.

Granted, I've encountered these nationalistic/political sentiments from students before("BUSHEEE!! NOOOO!") but biting my tongue still rankles me a bit. Anyone else encounter this and if so how did you deal with it?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like you, I plead ignorance and move right on to something else. Once, I tried to make a joke about it, (Dokdo is mine!) but that didn't go over at all well.
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told my middle school kids that I don't care and that I didn't understand what the big deal was. A few of them told me it has historical significance and even though the island itself is small, there are natural resources under the island. I then explainded that I know it's important to them, but I didn't really care about it.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ask them 'What? You mean Laincourt Rocks?'
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write Dokdo on a piece of paper and just take a whiz on it.

Seriously, just dodge the topic.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The historical thing I can sort of understand but what natural resources? It's not like the Paracel(sp?)/Spratly islands where at least there might be something worth fighting for.
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just stick to facts. Opinions should be clearly noted as such.

What are you guys afraid of a bunch of kids?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CasperTheFriendlyGhost wrote:
Just stick to facts. Opinions should be clearly noted as such.

What are you guys afraid of a bunch of kids?


The facts are, Dokdo is like my balls and Japan and Korea are like 2 women fighting over them.

The only difference is my balls are bigger than Dokdo.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Casper, I'm terrified of them.

You've obviously never worked in a public school here where your "character" is just about as important as your teaching. Going against the flow(openly, at least) of the Korean mindset will put you in fine standing with your colleagues, eh?

Nope, pleading ignorance is the least worst choice.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Yes, Casper, I'm terrified of them.

You've obviously never worked in a public school here where your "character" is just about as important as your teaching. Going against the flow(openly, at least) of the Korean mindset will put you in fine standing with your colleagues, eh?

Nope, pleading ignorance is the least worst choice.


Very true. I just tell my kids that Japan should forget about Dokdo and that usually makes them very pleased. Of course I think that Korea should forget about it, too, but I don't say that.
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Mark7



Joined: 22 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was asked the Dokdo question for the first time, and being of Asian-ethnicity but not Korean looking, they thought I was Japanese or something else.

So, when they asked me "Dokdo," I was like, "what?"

Then they said, "Takeshima!" Because they thought, seriously, I was Japanese.

Then I told them that Dokdo belonged to Korea, and they yelled in joyous unison. I don't really mind the nationalism, because with their torrent history with their Japanese neighbors, who can't but help to be proud of their nation!
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of my favorite classroom moments was on the nationalities -"I"m from ____. I"m ____." day. I was saying countries and they had to say "I'm German" or "I'm Russsian". It went something like this:

I say" Dokdo." (Making trouble is fun)
They say "I'm Korean"
I say "No, I'm Japanese."
They jumped out of their chairs (literally!!!)
I say "JOKE!!"
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, ha! That's a tempting idea ,kat, very tempting.....
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Ha, ha! That's a tempting idea ,kat, very tempting.....


It was awesome. You have to do it. The look in the eyes of those 12 year olds was priceless.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: "Dokdo" in the classroom Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Sure as kimchi, some budding nationalist asks me about Dokdo.


Very Happy Very Happy


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(Mind you, I'd ask the same thing of any Japanese who are hot & bothered about this, although I suspect there are precious few of them).


Not true, though. In Japan, they actually have the same shirts but the island has a different name and its in Japanese (Cant remember what it is now but I have actually seen such a tshirt in person).

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So, I say "I don't know(anthing about the dispute)". This never fails to elicit groans of disappointment. Damned if I'm going to feed their xenophobia.


Dude, when the Dokdo/kimchi/Korean people are kind/Bushee thing comes up in my class, I figure its best to just say whatever they want to hear... I know they dont really care about my opinion, and since they and thier parents and thier parents' countrymen are.. er.. mostly a bunch of idiots, I dont care whether or not they know my opinion.

Plus, I mean, they are irrationally insecure (though perhaps ration to be insecure.) Like a short man who likes to pick fights. Just reassure them that they are very tall and everything will be fine.
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