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pkim



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Can they do this? need advice!! Reply with quote

I'm about 6months into my contract. I don't know what the real reason is but my hagwons closing shop and moving us into another hagwon with curriculum intact. So my problem is now that they want two teachers to teach the other hagwons curriculum, which is totally different. And I've been picked. The starting salary for this hagwon is 2.2 and I only make 2.1. And they decided that they can't bump me up to 2.2. And I will have to do a little bit of traveling on a daily basis. Can They do this? Is this a breach of contract? I need some advice quick.....
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GwangjuNewsEditor



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pkim,

If I am correct, the employer doesn't have the right to sell your contract to another company. I would contact the labor board right away and find out what your rights are. You should be able to get another job. I am guessing that you won't even need a letter of release if the company is going out of business.

Also, check out EFL-Law.com Korea forums to ask more for more detailed answers.

Good luck.
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sadsac



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your contract is voided once your current hagwon closes up. The new hagwon must sign you to a new contract, otherwise you will be working illegaly. Advise your current boss that you will not be working for the new hagwon until all the paperwork is in order. Smile
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New contract may cancel out the first contract's ending date...delaying pension and severance. Be careful.
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Squid



Joined: 25 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you have no obligation to work for your "new" employer.

Your "former" employer is unlikely to pay you any severance or other money due.

Your new employer will generally not pick up the tab either.

Your contract is over so your E2 is void.

You'll be liable to penalties if you do start working at another job without visa clearance and so will the new employer, possibly even deported.

Be careful to get any guarantees, if you choose to go with the new outfit, with respect airfares or severance, vacation and anything else in writing.

I've walked this road and it's truly horrible when an employer reneges on a verbal agreement and attempts to pay you nothing, but I was a newb and didn't know better.

Good luck
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Captain Courageous



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my hagwon changes owners, is my contract void?
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pkim



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Squid"]Yes, you have no obligation to work for your "new" employer.

Your new employer will generally not pick up the tab either.

Your contract is over so your E2 is void.

The hagwon is not closing, per se, but moving locations into another hagwon where we will co-exist. The curriculums will be separate with their totally separate students. Their students and our students that we are taking with us. But two of the teachers would have to teach the other hagwons curriculum. So does this mean that the contract is over? Since now we are teaching under a new school?
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Can they do this? need advice!! Reply with quote

pkim wrote:
I'm about 6months into my contract. I don't know what the real reason is but my hagwons closing shop and moving us into another hagwon with curriculum intact. So my problem is now that they want two teachers to teach the other hagwons curriculum, which is totally different. And I've been picked. The starting salary for this hagwon is 2.2 and I only make 2.1. And they decided that they can't bump me up to 2.2. And I will have to do a little bit of traveling on a daily basis. Can They do this? Is this a breach of contract? I need some advice quick.....


Well isn't that nice of them. Rolling Eyes

Tell them to take a flying fk at a rolling donut. A change of address and/or change of owners needs a notification to immigration and a change on your ARC. They're having you work illegally with increased travel time and they say "No" to a puny salary increase?

If there's a change in ownership due to financial reasons then you would most likely lose out on severence, etc. if your contract were to be up now because of this reason.

Be a teacher and teach them that you're not cattle to be herded. Screw them.
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say to your boss "I'm sure that this is something that immigration should know about. Let's go there together and make sure that everything is legal." His response to this should tell you everything you need to know about future employment with him. If he won't go, go yourself and get yourself legal if you still want to work for him, or find out your options if you don't.

About the pay...well, you DID sign for 2.1...and I suppose that "technically" you're still working for the same employer. That's the way that they're looking at it.
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Captain Courageous



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If my hagwon changes owners, is my contract void?
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Courageous wrote:
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If my hagwon changes owners, is my contract void?


I don't think so...only if the school changes its name or location. The school is your employer, not the owner.

Why don't you call immigration yourself and find out?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because this way is easier at midnight, when the thought first occurred to me.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP:

If your school is only moving, that is, changing its address but not changing owners, then your contract, pension, severence etc are all still valid. You do need to file some paperwork and get the change recorded at Immigration and on your ARC.

But, you need to find out if your school is really changing more than its address. If the school changes owners, your visa may no longer be valid. It was the owner, a person, who sponsored your visa. When the ownership changes you are no longer sponsored by that person.

You need to talk with your boss and Immigration about these issues.

If you are going to be working for a new school, or a new school that has bought the old name, or your old school with a new owner and new address, you will have to sign a new contract and get a new visa. You might be able to transfer your old visa. However, be sure to get a guarantee of payment for your severence, airfare, pension etc. due to you for your time at the previous job. Better yet, try to get a pro rata cash payment for those items as a condition of your continuing the contract.
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When a foreigner is transferred to another working place following the directions of an employer, the employer should report that fact to the immigration office which has jurisdiction over the foreigner's new working place within 15 days. In this case, a foreigner does not have to get a permission to change or add working places.

These following 2 conditions should be met!
- same employer
- same activity

(3) Standard of Permission

The standards of this permission are as follows:

ㅇ When the contents of activities of changing or adding working places are different from the original one's, this permission is not allowed.
ㅇ An application will not be approved if his/her continuous stay in Korea is found to be improper to the interest of Korea. (e.g.,: frequent change of working places under the same status of sojourn)
ㅇ There will be some restrictions if the working hours or salary of the new working place is longer or more than those of the original.
ㅇ In the case of a foreign language teacher, it is not allowed, in principle, to add working places to other employer's language institute.
ㅇ It is prohibited to add more than 2 working places. (excluding : D-8(treaty investor) visa status)


http://www.moj.go.kr/
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pkim



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But, you need to find out if your school is really changing more than its address. If the school changes owners, your visa may no longer be valid. It was the owner, a person, who sponsored your visa. When the ownership changes you are no longer sponsored by that person.


My hagwon I believe is not a franchise, it is funded through the corporate headquarters.
So is it still possible to be bankrupt?
As for visa I'm on an f4 visa.

I just heard news that my employer is corporate is this true? So since it is an internal move, I have no rights. No new contract, no nothing. my contract is still valid along with previous address and name.[/quote]
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