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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Does This Happen to You? Reply with quote

You're at the store or some other place and you speak Korean to the clerk. The clerk UNDERSTANDS you and then says in English, "Wait" or "Ok" and then tries to speak English. Unfortunately, "wait" and "ok" are the only words they know in English Rolling Eyes and your Korean is much better than their English.

Why do they do this again and again and again?? Rolling Eyes
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Alyallen



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Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ever listen to Korean music? There are like 3 words in English and the rest is in Korea. I guess it's all in the ATTEMPT to speak in English. It's inconvenient but I'm sure you'd want your students to try in such a situation as well.....

And yes it happens to me. That and the other version where I speak only in Korean and they answer only in English....A bit silly Rolling Eyes but we both are happy in the end I guess Smile
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would a teacher ever criticize the people of a country for trying to communicate a language that they him/herself is teaching.

I guess people's arrogance allows them to forget that they once sounded like an idiot when they first learned how to speak a foreign language.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's just easier to understand them in those circumstances if they use Korean. Kudos for trying, but "sa-chun won" is easier to understand than "four thousand won" with a heavy accent.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Why would a teacher ever criticize the people of a country for trying to communicate a language that they him/herself is teaching.


I want people to speak English in my classroom.
At any other time or place, it implies:

▶ "You're too lazy to study Korean."
▶ "You're too stupid to learn Korean even if you DO study Korean."
▶ "There's no hope for your ever learning Korean, so you may as well give it up."
▶ "I'm too busy to waste time on the likes of you. Now whatever you want, let's get it over with."
▶ "We Koreans have the right to travel anywhere in the world and practice a second language. You wretched vermin don't have that right."
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:
Why would a teacher ever criticize the people of a country for trying to communicate a language that they him/herself is teaching.


I want people to speak English in my classroom.
At any other time or place, it implies:

▶ "You're too lazy to study Korean."
▶ "You're too stupid to learn Korean even if you DO study Korean."
▶ "There's no hope for your ever learning Korean, so you may as well give it up."
▶ "I'm too busy to waste time on the likes of you. Now whatever you want, let's get it over with."
▶ "We Koreans have the right to travel anywhere in the world and practice a second language. You wretched vermin don't have that right."


haha.. although I don't agree with all your points, I do think there is more to it than them simply trying to practice their English. Everytime it's happen the clerk has said it in a tone and manner that suggested he didn't want to deal with me or that I was of some trouble to him/her.
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
frankly speaking wrote:
Why would a teacher ever criticize the people of a country for trying to communicate a language that they him/herself is teaching.


I want people to speak English in my classroom.
At any other time or place, it implies:

▶ "You're too lazy to study Korean."
▶ "You're too stupid to learn Korean even if you DO study Korean."
▶ "There's no hope for your ever learning Korean, so you may as well give it up."
▶ "I'm too busy to waste time on the likes of you. Now whatever you want, let's get it over with."
▶ "We Koreans have the right to travel anywhere in the world and practice a second language. You wretched vermin don't have that right."


I do think there's a certain assumption that foreigners aren't willing to learn English, but I think some of your points are a little over the top. I only hope you are joking about the last one. I think most people are thinking "I want to get this foreigner in and out of my store as quickly as possible and will do anything I can to facilitate this."
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to go into a little mom and pop shop next to my old house on a daily basis. The woman who worked there always told me the price with her fingers. 1 finger=1000 won... This always bugged me because whenever I needed to speak to her, I always did it in Korean so I was sure she knew I spoke the language.

Finally one day I outright asked her why she won't tell me the prices in Korean or without a calculator. She told me that she didn't think I could hear her because I always had my earphones in. (True. I almost always wear them)

So in the end it turns out she was only being conciderate and I was foolishly getting bothered by it by assuming the worst on her part.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happens to me a lot actually. Sometimes it bugs me, sometimes it doesn't. Usually they get to practice what little English they know and it makes them look cool in front of their friends. I get to practice what little Korean I know and I feel like maybe I'm improving.

The times that it really bothers me is when they make no effort to let me speak Korean and do not attempt to speak English, instead opting to call another coworker that knows a fractional amount of English. I know I make pronounciation mistakes but I don't think that they are really that far off and difficult to deduce. For example, at the pizza place, how hard is to figure out what I'm trying to say in badly pronounced Korean? Most of the pizza related vocabulary is Koreanized English anyway.

I can see the other poster's point about letting the Koreans try out their English. The Koreans kids are spending so much time studying English in school that it is only fair to let them try out their English when they see a foreigner. It's probably the only time they will get the chance outside unless they travel to the west, which I doubt most will ever do.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
The Korean kids are spending so much time studying English in school that it is only fair to let them try out their English when they see a foreigner. It's probably the only time they will get the chance outside unless they travel to the west, which I doubt most will ever do.


I don't mind it so much when children speak English to me.
When children speak English to me, I interpret it differently.
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
I know I make pronounciation mistakes but I don't think that they are really that far off and difficult to deduce. For example, at the pizza place, how hard is to figure out what I'm trying to say in badly pronounced Korean? Most of the pizza related vocabulary is Koreanized English anyway.


I think you're giving Koreans too much credit..

Koreans are really a thoughtless and ignorant people and more than that they are an extremely selfish culture despite what you see on the contrary....

All the "good service" crap is just for show...as long as they get to practice THEIR English that's all that counts. Koreans are really that self-absorbed.

The world needs to call our Koreans of their horrible bad manners, ignorance, and selfishness. Maybe they will change when the spotlight is on them and they have nowhere to hide their faults..
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: Does This Happen to You? Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
You're at the store or some other place and you speak Korean to the clerk. The clerk UNDERSTANDS you and then says in English, "Wait" or "Ok" and then tries to speak English. Unfortunately, "wait" and "ok" are the only words they know in English Rolling Eyes and your Korean is much better than their English.

Why do they do this again and again and again?? Rolling Eyes


I suppose it's mean, but I always want to snicker a bit when they pause and say, laboriously, "sree sousand poh hundred-uh pipty won".
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Why would a teacher ever criticize the people of a country for trying to communicate a language that they him/herself is teaching.

Mainly because I was not speaking that language to them? If I speak Korean (their language) much better than they speak English, wouldn't it be better to continue speaking in Korean? Why try to speak English when one obviously can't, especially when the customer is not even speaking it. (How do they know I speak English? Mighty presumptuous of them, ain't it?). And what's the point of learning the local language if we're not going to at least be able to use it for something as mundane as shopping small talk?

Ginormousaurus wrote:
I used to go into a little mom and pop shop next to my old house on a daily basis. The woman who worked there always told me the price with her fingers. 1 finger=1000 won... This always bugged me because whenever I needed to speak to her, I always did it in Korean so I was sure she knew I spoke the language.

I had the same experience. Always talk to her in Korean. She was always dead silent, and just punched in numbers into the calculator. She spoke Korean to all the other customers I saw.

I just went in one day, rang up my bill, and asked her how much. When she showed me the calc, I took it out of her hands and asked her again in Korean how much. After trying to take the calc back, she finally gave up and spoke to me in Korean. I thanked her, paid her, and gave the calc back... she never used it since, and now we have decent small talk whenever I go in to buy something.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it strange this happens to some of often enough to bother commenting about it. I've been here a good few years, it rarely happens to me. It doesn't bother me the odd time it does, but it seems to happen only once in while anyway, not even once a month I guess. If they can say "four thousand," fine, if not, no problem, I got the numbers down.
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Young FRANKenstein"][quote="frankly speaking"]

Ginormousaurus wrote:

I just went in one day, rang up my bill, and asked her how much. When she showed me the calc, I took it out of her hands and asked her again in Korean how much. After trying to take the calc back, she finally gave up and spoke to me in Korean. I thanked her, paid her, and gave the calc back... she never used it since, and now we have decent small talk whenever I go in to buy something.


Koreans are tHAT STUBBORN AND IGNORANT. You need to be that drastic to change them.. Shocked
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