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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Shooting in Texas! Reply with quote

CNN says that there is another shooting in Houston, Tx. 2 died, including the gunman..
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Natalia



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet again we'll hear the Americans chanting, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." And, " if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns." Rolling Eyes

It's never ending. I just don't care anymore.

Until Americans wake up and realise they are the only so-called 'civilised' country in the world with a major gun problem - BECAUSE they have such stupid attitudes towards them - nothing is going to change. They are idiots plain and simple.
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Toon Army



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll tie this to Iraq somehow, maybe it was NASA Hussain
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to lessen the tragedy of the hostage that was killed, but aren't there something like 11,000+ firearms homicides in the US every year? We can't have new threads for all of them.
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toon Army wrote:
They'll tie this to Iraq somehow, maybe it was NASA Hussain


Very Happy
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
Not to lessen the tragedy of the hostage that was killed, but aren't there something like 11,000+ firearms homicides in the US every year? We can't have new threads for all of them.



I was thinking the same. People get killed in Dallas and Houston all the time. What's new about that? I mean we aren't talking about 10 people killed at one time.

As far as guns, I think a bigger problem is the culture more than the guns. It is true, that guns don't kill people and people do. I am not a big fan of gun possession, but I do know guns were around 40 years ago, and there wasn't so much violence. Why not look at that? I am for some restrictions for sure such as not letting crazies get guns or people who are not citizens.
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demi



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Until Americans wake up and realise they are the only so-called 'civilised' country in the world with a major gun problem - BECAUSE they have such stupid attitudes towards them - nothing is going to change. They are idiots plain and simple.


Good on you Natalia. Ppl on here will gang up on you for saying anything negative about America or Americans. They're very insecure. Good luck
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demi wrote:

Good on you Natalia. Ppl on here will gang up on you for saying anything negative about America or Americans. They're very insecure. Good luck


Actually, no. The majority of posts on this silly site are quite hostile to a wide variety of 'Americana'. But, even the most angry of them do not go as low as you.

I am still waiting for three coherent answers from you.

BJWD wrote:
Well, I look forward to you explaining to me:

1) What you are 'right' about, in the context of this absurd discussion
2) In what sense you use the word realist to describe yourself, in the context of posting the writings of a neo-nazi
3) How Hitler was a genius. Be sure to cite very specific examples. Demonstrate, with evidence, that he fits the standard criteria of a genius, meaning, an extremely high intellectual ability.


Eh?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People really need to get out and see the world a little bit more.

To all of you harsh critics: what are your thoughts on the frequency and indeed extremity of what has become institutionalized, everyday violence in Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil, to cite but three Latin American and Caribbean examples -- particularly in Sao Paolo, Rio, and Recife, where, in some places, the state projects no power at all and indeed the police do not even go there because they are outgunned...?

Everytime something negative occurs in America, that takes something from America's worst, you seize on it and scream at us that this illuminates how America is in its entirety.

Your antiAmericanism is transparent. And it is unfortunate that so many seem to take so much perverse pleasure from celebrating America's faults and shortcomings.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, many Canadians have hunting guns, and you don't have as many shootings. So it is simple to say it is just the guns. I personally don't see why people need semi-automatic weapons. I understand the concept of the right to bare arms, but one is not allowed to legally automate a semi-automic weapon and make it a machine gun. Some could say the government is infringing on their rights by not allowing them to have machine guns. Guns were meant to protect the republic and not commit treason by killing fellow citizens of the republic. America had less violence when it was more conservative. Too many individuals are disconnected from any real meaning in their lives and then take their own and that of their family. Someone mentioned Brazil. Brazil is extremely bad. The question is how to address the problem without just simply looking at guns. I am for more background checks, not allowing those with several misdemeanors related to alcohol, non-citizens, and people with mental problems. Keep the guns from those who have serious problems and look at what is pushing many men to act in this destructive way. Their lives are also important.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natalia wrote:
And yet again we'll hear the Americans chanting, "guns don't kill people, people kill people."


I havent't seen the news but Im pretty sure it was a person who did the killing.
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natalia wrote:
And yet again we'll hear the Americans chanting, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." And, " if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns." Rolling Eyes

It's never ending. I just don't care anymore.

Until Americans wake up and realise they are the only so-called 'civilised' country in the world with a major gun problem - BECAUSE they have such stupid attitudes towards them - nothing is going to change. They are idiots plain and simple.


Other than the last sentence there is absolutely nothing inaccurate or unfair in this post, and the last sentence I think is more an utterance of frustration than anything else.

The discussion on this board about America and accusations of 'anti' Americanism are simplistic. I have a korean friend whom if I ask why the Koreans have traffic lights placed where they are instead of on the far side of the intersection, he views it as an attack on Korea.... which is a kin to the mentality displayed on this board.

Gun control and gun deaths are a very BIG issue, with about 30,000 americans dying every year from guns in one way or another.

But one of the big things in this as with every issue about America, is that America is the centre of the world, both economically and culturally. It is the leading nation in just about every category. It is the richest and most powerful. It impacts the lives of every person on this planet, everyday, with the decisions its government makes. That is why criticism of America doesn't equate to Anti-Americanism.

As to Gopher's comparison to 2nd world, under developed countries and the crime and death rate there.... that's the issue, is that the American death rate from guns CAN be compared to those countries, and that is NOT A GOOD THING. We should not be able to make that comparison at all. Moreover, you can almost always say "oh that's not so bad" if you look at totally chaotic examples (eg: we don't need to do anything about homelessness in Canada, because the homeless here are way better off than the homeless in india).

As for Jinju's retarded guns don;t kill people post.... then let's give everyone an A bomb. Let saddam and the Norks and the chinese have whatever weapons they want. We shouldn't stop Iran from having a nuclear program, because nuclear weapons don;t kill people, people kill people.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
...comparison to 2nd world, underdeveloped countries...


The Second-World? News flash, Freethought: the Soviet Union and its satellites collapsed between 1989-1991 -- that is, fifteen or so years ago, roughly.

As far as your insulting Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil by calling them "underdeveloped": how insensitive and racist of you, Freethought.

How about one of the most developed South-American states, Freethought: ever been to Santiago de Chile's Bellavista neighborhood? At night? You know, the place where police officers are regularly gunned-down by drug dealers? That place? The place where the police only patrol the area in groups of three or more, wearing military-style flak-jackets?

Let us go to violence in other, more developed countries, then, shall we? How about Japan and Korea's suicide rate? Have you or someone else not hailed China as the new global hegemon? What is China's infanticide rate, Freethought?

How about Western European football matches, Freethought? Peaceable, civilized peoples, right?

If you are looking to find fault with country, X, Y, or Z...it is certainly there for the taking. The point is that this board is populated by many obsessed with American faults and shortcomings. Why do you think that is?

I think I might just start a thread for every newsreport I find for every act of violence I find in Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and give my thoughts on how only a bankrupt culture could allow for such evil things to occur in its cities...
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freethought



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not insulting those countries. Get a grip. If you think you can legitimately compare AMERICA with Mexico, then by all means, go right ahead, but to pretend they compare to the US in development and quality of life either means you're crazy or stupid. let's look at GDP per capita, America is 4th, in the world at based on IMF figured from 2005, at 43,444 (that's in AMERICAN DOLLARS). Brazil is 68th on the list, at 9,108. Columbia, with it's crime and violence problems ranks in at 81st on the list, at just under 8100. Mexico is 63rd with 11,250. And that's just GDP per capita. Let's look at quality or roads, health care, education, etc... there's NO COMPARISON. So if you want to continue to use these countries as examples as to how things in the US aren't that bad, then go ahead, but it's not accurate.

As for second world, it's a term that is commonly used now not in relation to Soviet satellites but in to countries that are not as developed as American, Canada etc, but not as destitute as others.

Gopher:
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The point is that this board is populated by many obsessed with American faults and shortcomings. Why do you think that is?


I've already answered this:

freethought:

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But one of the big things in this as with every issue about America, is that America is the centre of the world, both economically and culturally. It is the leading nation in just about every category. It is the richest and most powerful. It impacts the lives of every person on this planet, everyday, with the decisions its government makes.


When you are number one and the most powerful nation in the planet, and choose to exercise that power regular, sometimes to your own benefit rather than a greater good, then attention will fall on you. it will fall on your faults and your actions, and your words. That is the nature of power, wealth and fame. It makes you the focal point. I've said this before in a similar discussion on this board: if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. if you don't like the treatment that comes with the power and wealth, then give it up.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethought wrote:
When you are number one and the most powerful nation in the planet, and choose to exercise that power regular, sometimes to your own benefit rather than a greater good, then attention will fall on you. it will fall on your faults and your actions, and your words. That is the nature of power, wealth and fame. It makes you the focal point. I've said this before in a similar discussion on this board: if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. if you don't like the treatment that comes with the power and wealth, then give it up.


Blah, blah, blah. And thank you for swallowing my hook...

You just confirmed what I have said about this "criticism" all along: you and the others have no interest in these events per se, inasmuch as they simply offer convenient pretexts to voice your political resentments and indeed aggressive antiAmericanism. Wink
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