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Will Australia soon become unliveable?

 
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Will Australia soon become unliveable? Reply with quote

The driest continent on earth is experiencing its worst drought and has been undergoing a sustained drying out period.

Soon they may have to shut down all agriculture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3992231.stm

But its not only Australia. China is becoming a dustbowl too, and I doubt they can sustain their pace of development.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is much truth to this, for most of Australia. However, it is about 4000 km from top to bottom, with the top near the equator. The northern part has distinct wet seasons, and one town has an average annual rainfall of a tad over 4m, that is more than 12 foot.

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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe so, but there's not a lot of infrastructure up in Australia's deep North, and no major rivers to sustain irrigation. It's going to take a lot of work to relocate the bulk of a country's agriculture.

PM Howard, and treasurer Costello are already talking about high prices, and exporting food, and the Murray -Darling River is facing collapse. Very annoying that the PM's river rescue plan was implemented just as it faces complete failure, since this has been a recognised problem, and debated since the 80s. Political expediency, and the path of least resistance, means that they only act when it's too late. Disgusting, and history will want to find someone accountable if it kills off farming in the Eastern states.

Perth recently installed a desalination plant in expectation of becoming a much drier place than it has been in the past. It's funny to see politicians scrambling to revisit and implement a water pipeline scheme from the Kimberly region (which gets huge dumps of rain during the 'wet') which was openly mocked when originally proposed by Aboriginal Ernie Bridge. Bridge has been talking about this for the last decade.

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/people/Transcripts/s1223860.htm
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Water restrictions Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_restrictions_in_Australia
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happeningthang wrote:
Maybe so, but there's not a lot of infrastructure up in Australia's deep North, and no major rivers to sustain irrigation. It's going to take a lot of work to relocate the bulk of a country's agriculture.


The Burdiken River project has been up and running for decades, and sustains a very large irrigated farm network...

http://www.worldbook.com/wb/Article?id=ar083020

There is also the Ord River project in the northwest,

http://www.doir.wa.gov.au/investment/18F26DB402BE44B4BD278F41877D6770.asp

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Natalia



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in my part of Australia for two months. It hasn't rained once, and there's no rain predicted for the next four months - at least. Most of the trees here - even in people's gardens - are marked pink. Meaning they are going to be cut down because they died in the drought. As it is we cannot wash our cars, and only parts of our gardens can be watered (and then only in the early morning or in the evening every second day).

But a number of years into water restrictions, most Australians seem to be ignoring them. It's infuriating.
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared Diamond's book "Collapse" has a detailed section on Australia and the many problems it faces. It is unlikely that Australia will be able to support a population of more then 10 million people by the end of this century.

But if they make major changes economically, socially, politically, etc they may be able to save their continent.


http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Fail-Succeed/dp/0670033375
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnhnhyouh wrote:
happeningthang wrote:
Maybe so, but there's not a lot of infrastructure up in Australia's deep North, and no major rivers to sustain irrigation. It's going to take a lot of work to relocate the bulk of a country's agriculture.


The Burdiken River project has been up and running for decades, and sustains a very large irrigated farm network...

http://www.worldbook.com/wb/Article?id=ar083020

There is also the Ord River project in the northwest,

http://www.doir.wa.gov.au/investment/18F26DB402BE44B4BD278F41877D6770.asp

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All very true M, but I was thinking in terms of replacing the agrigultural output lost along the Murray-Darling.

I should have been clearer.
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I think the Murray Darling is totally stuffed. In '86 Barry Jones said that if it was going to be fixed, they had better start right then. Well they didnt, and it is now too late.

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jinju



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It already is unliveable what with all those Australians there.
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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Water Restrictions Reply with quote

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It already is unlivable, what with all those Australians there.


Hey! I'm still over here! (in Korea). But not for much longer. And all the Canadians I've met who visited, told me they didn't want to leave!

I used to work in Water Resources, & one of the long term schemes included diversion of the Clarence River in NSW, up into the headwaters of the Murray / Darling (Condamine River) in Qld. Already, fishermen are complaining about a supposed ecological disaster, & depletion of fish stocks, if the Clarence is dammed (or damned, depending on your pov.)

3 other schemes are the Bradford scheme (diverting coastal streams inland), Gulf of Carpentaria rivers dammed & diverted to coastal Qld (eg, the Norman & Flinders River), & a pipeline from the Ord Dam to Perth. Desalination plants are a 4th option. The current population of Australia is a little over 20 million.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I went back to Australia just recently I couldn't even wash my car! I think the situation ihas leveled up to stage 4 in Melbourne.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
When I went back to Australia just recently I couldn't even wash my car! I think the situation ihas leveled up to stage 4 in Melbourne.


Prison was never supposed to be easy.
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