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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Stumped: Neither / Nor Reply with quote

Even looking in grammar books this has me confused.

Which is one is correct?

He is not a doctor and neither is she.

Or

He is not a doctor and nor is she.

My gut feeling is that neither is correct in this case but, I'm not sure.

Any input is appreciated.

Cheers
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Stumped: Neither / Nor Reply with quote

Rapacious Mr. Batstove wrote:
Even looking in grammar books this has me confused.

Which is one is correct?

He is not a doctor and neither is she.

Or

He is not a doctor and nor is she.

My gut feeling is that neither is correct in this case but, I'm not sure.

Any input is appreciated.

Cheers

He is not a doctor and neither is she. - correct
He is not a doctor nor is she. correct - notice the and is removed.
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Stumped: Neither / Nor Reply with quote

[/quote]
He is not a doctor and neither is she. - correct
He is not a doctor nor is she. correct - notice the and is removed.[/quote]

Thanks.

So...these are also correct then?

He is not a doctor, neither is she.
He is not a doctor, nor is she.
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soju pizza



Joined: 21 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take a stab at this. Don't know if I'm right or not though:

"He is not a doctor, nor is she."
"Nor" is operating as a coordinating conjunction connecting two independant clauses therefore it can have the comma. The comma is not required though because the idea is not very complex. It is gramatically correct though.

"He is not a doctor, neither is she."
I think this is called a comma splice. "Neither" is not a coordinating conjunction but it's incorrectly operating as one. You can fix it by inserting a conjunction. Maybe put "and" or "but" before it:
"He is not a doctor, and neither is she."

Maybe you could switch them:
"Neither he nor she is a doctor."
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help guys.

I'm no expert on grammar, and strongly support fluency over accuracy. A teacher from my school wanted me to talk to her friend on the phone to discuss the neither/nor issue this morning and I needed clarification, I really wasn't in the mood to discuss grammar at 9am.
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ron_j



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neither and nor are correlative conjunctions. Correlative conjunctions pair up with each other. either/or, not only/but also, both/and.

So, wouldn't it be: Neither he nor she is a doctor.
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Jizzo T. Clown



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's easy to get away from the way *real* English is spoken. Most people don't talk like this, and if the situation came up, we'd most likely have context to work with, or say something like: "No, neither one of them is a doctor." But then, if you're writing, that's a different story.
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