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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Impeachment: It's starting. Do Americans have the guts? |
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New Mexico Senate Rules Committee Passes Bush-Cheney Impeachment Resolution
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Senate Joint Resolution 5, the legislation urging impeachment of Bush and Cheney, was passed this morning in the NM Senate Rules Committee with only Democrats present, all of whom voted for the resolution! The meeting room was packed to the gills, with a huge crowd winding down the hallways outside the hearing. Several hours were spent listening to citizens speak on behalf of the bill, until Committee members were forced to move on to other business.
I find it appalling that every Republican member of the Committee refused to attend and listen to what our citizens have to say about what may well be the most important issues of our era -- the Iraq occupation and the refusal of the President and Vice President to obey the law. I guess they couldn't bear to hear ordinary people speaking truth to power. I guess they believe they only represent the Republicans in their districts, not all the citizens. |
Can it be said any better, or more clearly? From a former judge:
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One of the sources of America's moral authority in the world is its professed commitment to an ideal known as the Rule of Law.
The Rule of Law includes the principle that no man is above the law.
The Rule of Law also includes the principle that crimes must be prosecuted.
If the Rule of Law is to be anything more than an empty slogan, then all American citizens, but especially legislative bodies such as this, where both laws and the consequences for breaking laws are established, must demand, when there is compelling evidence that criminal acts have been committed, that there be a formal, official investigation and prosecution.
Confidence that crimes will be prosecuted is essential to the existence of civilized society. If the New Mexico Legislature hopes to retain its moral authority to continue to write laws and set consequences when the laws are broken -- if, for example, the New Mexico Legislature wishes to be able to speak with moral authority when it declares that anyone who drives while intoxicated must be held accountable and experience severe consequences, then the New Mexico Legislature must insist that there be a formal and official investigation and prosecution to test the compelling evidence that exists that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have committed grave crimes ... crimes which have resulted in the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people.
That there is compelling evidence of crimes having been committed is unquestionable. The evidence that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney lied about the existence of weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to take our nation to war is overwhelming. What greater crime could there be than initiating an unjustified, unnecessary war? AND, there is compelling evidence of still other serious crimes.
The United States House of Representatives has to date failed to meet its duty to enforce the principle that crimes must be prosecuted. Its failure is a source of shame, and if it persists, it will lose its moral authority to call for, or even speak to, law and order, let alone accountability, regarding it's responsibilities as a part of the governing body of this nation. It is our hope that a nudge from the New Mexico Legislature, making the statement that it takes its duties to honor and uphold the Rule of Law seriously, and leading by example, will remind the United States House of Representatives that it is responsible, first and foremost, to the people of the United States of America.
That said, let me add that we-the-people are becoming more and more frantic about Congress's failure to stop George W. Bush from doing still more harm to our country. Mr. Bush appears to have no understanding of the concept of checks and balances, of the meaning of the word democracy, or of the principle that in America the government governs only with the consent of the governed. He has made it clear that he intends to ignore both we-the-people and Congress with respect to escalating the occupation of Iraq. It sounds more and more that he also intends to attack Iran, never mind that a clear majority of the citizens of this country oppose it. Congress must act, but it looks to be almost paralyzed. The New Mexico Legislature must show that it is not paralyzed and in so doing help the United States House of Representatives regain its own understanding of the concept of checks and balances, of the meaning of the word democracy, and of the principle of consent of the governed.
--statement of Anne Kass, Albuquerque, NM, testifying at February 16, 2007 NM Senate Rules Committee hearing at the Santa Fe Roundhouse on impeachment resolution. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Vermont
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An impeachment resolution is pending in the Vermont legislature. It needs your help to pass. Please read this call to action from Dan DeWalt.
2/15/07 - A resolution to impeach George Bush was introduced into the Vermont State Legislature. It has 20 sponsors including David Zuckerman. It charges Bush with torture, warrantless wiretaps, excessive use of signing statements, illegally invading Iraq and committing fraud related to Iraq. It was immediately assigned to the Judiciary Committee. |
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| Summary: Senator Eric Oemig is introducing an impeachment resolution. The WA legislature adjourns April 22nd. |
IBCPresents:
"High Crimes"
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February 22, Grand Lake Theater, 7-9:30pm
Film Screening and Discussion panel featuring Impeachment and Scholarly Experts
Top Reasons for Impeachment?
Engaging in an illegal pre-emptive war against Iraq.
Lying to Congress and the American people over pre-war intelligence and the reasons for invading Iraq and Afganistan
Engaging in illigal wiretaping on American phone calls and electronic communications in violation of the FISA statutes of 1976
Outing an active CIA agent as an act of retribution against Joseph Wilson for revealing doctored intelligence in the leadup to the war on Iraq.
Approving use of torture against "enemy combatants" in contravention of the Geneva conventions treatment of enemy prisioners.
Criminal negligience in the Katrina disaster resulting in tragic loss of of lives of US citizens. |
The Case Against Bush:
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�I will be marching on the Pentagon on March 17, 2007 with thousands of other Americans. On this the 4th anniversary of the Shock and Awe invasion of Iraq and forty years after the historic 1967 March on the Pentagon, We the People, will be insisting on the immediate end to the war against Iraq. Bring your friends, neighbors and loved ones and join us in the March on the Pentagon.�
- Ramsey Clark, Fmr. U.S. Attorney General. |
Oklahoma
The Four Reasons why "We the People" must uphold the Constitution of The United States of America and hold those who violate it accountable
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| 0. The invasion of Iraq is illegal within the framework of the laws of the United States Constitution and the United Nations Charter... |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| You folks had better lay off the crack pipe. It ain't happening and it ain't gonna happen, no matter what the leftie loonies and that rat bag Ramsey Clark has to say. Get a grip and get a life. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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The New Mexican State Senate is not the proper forum to call for or hold impeachment hearings against the President of the United States.
And even if it were, those calling for impeachment would have to represent more than just the left. Impeachment requires broad support. Such support is lacking (and will always be, as W. Bush has done nothing that would justify removing him from office).
You are not going to affect or impact this one iota by starting ranting threads on Dave's ESL Cafe, either. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Ranting threads? Way to make yourself look sane, boy.
Tell me, how little do you have to know about the impeachment process to make the idiotic statements you did above?
Fool. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Carl. Bush isn't going to be impeached. Such a idea does not have majority backing in the Senate or congress , just a couple of people proposing it. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Another dumb thread by Dave's resident MOONBAT - EFLtrainer! If anything I'd bet there'd be more support for letting GWB serve a third term....  |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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They made the government such that it requires a massive effort to impeach someone.
You'll never see it. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Clinton proved that Richard Nixon's resignation was a mistake.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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From what I read impeachment can go through the state legislature, although it is only a recommendation.
I tend to agree, there's not a chance in the world it will happen. The focus need to be urging lawmakers to get us out of Iraq, not impeachment. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
They made the government such that it requires a massive effort to impeach someone.
You'll never see it. |
Thats a good thing. The reason being so it couldnt be abused by say a group of politicians wanting nothing more then to usurp the president etc.
Clinton is the only President to have been impeached.
Secondly your going to have a hard time proving anything.
The accusations Im guessing to any Bush impeachment wouldnt be
:negligence in not preventing 911
and that he allgededly knew Iraq had no WMD beforehand and used it as a pretext to strike Iraq.
For 9-11 Bush just has to say
"read the 911 commission report" which backs him up and alll he has to do is say faulty intel for Iraq.
Furthermore, as mucyh testimony and documents etc etc as there would be to sift through the impeachment trial would take forever...Bush's term would likely be over before it finished, so in that respect, would it even BE worth it? |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLTrainer, are you a loon? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Carl. Bush isn't going to be impeached. Such a idea does not have majority backing in the Senate or congress , just a couple of people proposing it. |
Yeah, it's just so they'll look good in the history books. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I personally considering what Bush has done during his tenure compared to Clinton, you would think he would have been subject to a possible impeachment, but the majority who went after Clinton were Republicans, and they weren't going to do that to their own especially in a time of war. The U.S. is in a time of war. Bush is insulated from being impeached. Perhaps, however he can be sued over the war when he leaves office. I wish the officials could be held accountable for misleading the people into going to a war which is very serious, and they tried to make the public think there was a Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda link and then denied it. It is worse, in my book, than lying about having sex. Maybe others don't agree, but impeachment is not going to happen. His term is going to end in a year, it wouldn't help the country, it won't serve the interests of the country to have an impeachment when there is an attempt to secure Iraq and too many democrats won't go for it, so it is kind of futile to start such a process. Bill Clinton should never been subjected to what he was subjected to. Do any of you think that Nixon didn't really do worse than Bush and that if Nixon were around he wouldn't have had to resign? I happen to think so. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, but one of the reason is that the impeachment of Clinton was such a partisan act by a Republican controled Congress. In my opinion, it was an abuse of power, which makes future impeachments tougher to get people behind. |
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