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MrSeoul



Joined: 15 Apr 2007
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: After school Programs (public schools) Reply with quote
Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?

Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.

Thanks,
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cerulean808



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Becareful, I know one situation where, because the public schools must pay the teacher directly, the company running the after school program wants the teacher to open an account then hand over the bank book, cash card and pin number to them. They take their cut and transfer the salary to another account under the teacher's control.

Of course this happens after the teacher has secured an E2, in a classic bait and switch tactic Evil or Very Mad. The teacher is left with no choice but to leave town out of pocket Crying or Very sad, or play along till they get paid enough to be able to do a runner and break even. Or maybe there are other recourses...
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inverse_narcissus



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Masan / the pub
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What do you need to know, OP? I'm in a public (middle) school too and I teach 2 x 2 extra-curric. classes a week.

MONEY: I'm getting paid a little less than what you would normally expect for overtime. (21,000 won as distinct from a usual minimum of 25,000) Moreover, it's paid in one bulk sum at the end of the semester, rather than on a monthly basis. I was going to argue about the former issue but, at the end of the day, my school's been good to me thus far so I decided to let it be.
CLASSES: I teach two conversation classes: one for boys and one for girls. The girls are a dream to work with on the whole, and the boys on the whole don't give a *beep*. Go figure. This is because the girls are the best English students in the school (and have proven themselves as such) whilst the boys just forked out some money for the class, regardless of their quality.
CURRICULUM: If your school's anything like mine, conversation is what they'll want you to teach, given that you're in a unique position to teach syntax, pronunciation and everyday English, whereas the Korean English teachers can teach the meat-and-potatoes stuff. (grammar, etc.)

Hope this helps....

i_n
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) Reply with quote
MrSeoul wrote:
Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?

Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.

Thanks,


If you mean one of the strictly after school program and not as overtime classes for a P.S. teacher then I have a lot of bad news for you.

Most of them are subcontracted to hakwons. The hakwon supplies the teacher, gets the bulk of the money and you get a crappy contract with none of the protections of a P.S. teacher and all of the crap expected from a hakwon.

Global English is one of the big contractors (they were doing the programs in Incheon and parts of Seoul). I have heard but cannot confirm that they were also subcontracting the programs in a couple of the southern provinces as well.

Read the contract VERY CAREFULLY. Many of them require you to make up classes or lose your overtime if the school has classes canceled for the afternoon because of other activities.

Many of them also don't enroll you in the pension or medical plan even though it is mentioned in the contract.

A few more of them use a double bank account scam that would leave you holding the bag at tax time for several million won in unpaid taxes of your bosses money that are deposited in your name.

Don't get caught in these kinds of scams.

Remember the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true... it probably is.
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MrSeoul



Joined: 15 Apr 2007
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) Reply with quote
ttompatz wrote:
MrSeoul wrote:
Anyone teaching in any of these after school programs?

Please pm me if you don't want to post. I just want to get the scoop.

Thanks,


If you mean one of the strictly after school program and not as overtime classes for a P.S. teacher then I have a lot of bad news for you.

Most of them are subcontracted to hakwons. The hakwon supplies the teacher, gets the bulk of the money and you get a crappy contract with none of the protections of a P.S. teacher and all of the crap expected from a hakwon.

Global English is one of the big contractors (they were doing the programs in Incheon and parts of Seoul). I have heard but cannot confirm that they were also subcontracting the programs in a couple of the southern provinces as well.

Read the contract VERY CAREFULLY. Many of them require you to make up classes or lose your overtime if the school has classes canceled for the afternoon because of other activities.

Many of them also don't enroll you in the pension or medical plan even though it is mentioned in the contract.

A few more of them use a double bank account scam that would leave you holding the bag at tax time for several million won in unpaid taxes of your bosses money that are deposited in your name.

Don't get caught in these kinds of scams.

Remember the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true... it probably is.


With all due respect I really don't understand your post. It seems like you are talking horse shit. Perhaps spreading rumours or talking about shit that you overheard. This is actually with all due respect, because I know you're trying to give good advice. Give me a scenario of which type of program you think I am talking about please so I can understand you better. If you don't mind because it really doesn't make any sense of why I would be required to foot a bill for Korean taxes that I really couldn't give a rats-a-hole about. I just take my money and run, or I pull out before anyone suspects anything. I don't let myself get screwed. I know how to get mine, and I prevent anyone from trying to *beep* with my hussle.

Thanks
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If I were you, I'd be nice to Mr. ttompatz. He's probably the most knowledgable guy in this dave's forum when it comes to legal issues and good advice.

This is no BS. What he says is absolutely correct.

It's better that you tell us your scoop instead of us giving you useless scoops on different situations.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: After school Programs (public schools) Reply with quote
MrSeoul wrote:
[ If you don't mind because it really doesn't make any sense of why I would be required to foot a bill for Korean taxes that I really couldn't give a rats-a-hole about. I just take my money and run, or I pull out before anyone suspects anything. I don't let myself get screwed. I know how to get mine, and I prevent anyone from trying to *beep* with my hussle.

Thanks



The first thing you would know about it is when the tax people send you a bill for unpaid taxes. And they would probably ask Immigration to flag your passport so you couldn't skip the country.

Immigration and the tax people could then "beep with your hussle" all they liked and you couldn't do jack about it.
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MrSeoul



Joined: 15 Apr 2007
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would just take a boat from Busan, even if I had to head to China in scuba gear nobody touches my money trust me but I like how you put that.. it made me laugh..ok then I really want the scoop so you tell me what I should change please? This contract has since been revised by my recruiter even though I already posted it once before. This was her version part 2.


sample contract edited

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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You come across as a complete a$$ when someone is offering advice. Do a search on these boards for information regarding the after school programs. There was a thread about one or two weeks ago about someone involved with one of these programs and how he was expected to pay the taxes. These programs are NOT reliable and usually can't be trusted. There are exceptions of course, so do what you want.