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Canadians: did you declare non-residency?
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Patrique



Joined: 04 Oct 2007
Location: Sajik-dong, Busan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Canadians: did you declare non-residency? Reply with quote

I'm leaving for Korea in just over a week. A friend of mine suggested I declare non-residency in order to avoid paying taxes. However I plan on returning to Canada with less than $10 000 - if I lied about what I had been up to, couldn't I just avoid the whole thing that way? Did any Canadians out there declare non-residency before they left?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did, but I was there for 4 years. It's probably not worth doing if you're only going for a year.
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biggpoppa



Joined: 14 Jul 2007
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

remember you've already been taxed in korea, you don't have to be taxed on that once you come back home...you didn't make any income in Canada, so claim it that way...unless you were bringing some huge amount of money then you may have problems...10k won't even show up on their radar...
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JAWINSEOUL



Joined: 19 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I declared, but that's not all you need to do. If you read the Government Of Canada website, you will see that you need make sure you have no ties inside Canada including:

RRSP accounts
loans
residences
drivers licence
credit Cards
ect...

Even if you claim non-residency status, the government can still tax you if they believe you have ties inside Canada.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggpoppa wrote:
remember you've already been taxed in korea, you don't have to be taxed on that once you come back home...you didn't make any income in Canada, so claim it that way...unless you were bringing some huge amount of money then you may have problems...10k won't even show up on their radar...


Technically, yes you do have to be taxed again. At least, that's the case in Canada. I believe the States is different up to 70 or 80k.

For Canadians, you can either go the non-residency route or just hide the money and hope you don't get audited. There is a form from the CCRA that you can fill out and they will evaluate your status as either resident or non-resident based on primary and secondary ties to Canada. The results of form are NOT binding.
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BRawk



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too, am interested.

I have worked here for almost three years, and I did not declare non-residency.

I have heard that it is not necessary to declare before you leave any longer, but I don't know this to be fact.

Has anyone had any experience with this. Either going home with a large amount and not declaring...or going home and paying tax?
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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remember you've already been taxed in korea, you don't have to be taxed on that once you come back home...you didn't make any income in Canada, so claim it that way...unless you were bringing some huge amount of money then you may have problems...10k won't even show up on their radar...


The way that this "you won't be taxed twice" thing works is that they will deduct the % of tax you already paid from what you will have to pay. So if they decided you would have to pay 35% tax on your income, but in korea you already paid 3.3% then you would have to pay the other 31.6%

Also if you are a resident of Canada they don't care where you made your money, it is still taxable IN Canada.

You can declare that you made nothing, which I have done in the past, although not from Korea, and risk it. I had a friend who did this and got audited and had to turn over pretty much all her savings.

As was stated before you can't just declare non-residency, you need to look into it really closely and do things like cancel your provincial health care plan to show that you really are a non resident of Canada and that y ou shouldn't be paying tax becuase you aren't using anythings that are funded with this tax. Make sure you don't cash any of those nice checks you get from the governement etc.
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JungMin



Joined: 18 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
The way that this "you won't be taxed twice" thing works is that they will deduct the % of tax you already paid from what you will have to pay. So if they decided you would have to pay 35% tax on your income, but in korea you already paid 3.3% then you would have to pay the other 31.6%

Also if you are a resident of Canada they don't care where you made your money, it is still taxable IN Canada.

You can declare that you made nothing, which I have done in the past, although not from Korea, and risk it. I had a friend who did this and got audited and had to turn over pretty much all her savings.

As was stated before you can't just declare non-residency, you need to look into it really closely and do things like cancel your provincial health care plan to show that you really are a non resident of Canada and that y ou shouldn't be paying tax becuase you aren't using anythings that are funded with this tax. Make sure you don't cash any of those nice checks you get from the governement etc.


If this is the case, then I have really given myself a good rogering!! I haven't declared non-residency, I had my mail sent to my parents house and I think they have deposited those GST checks into my account.

Too late now....over 4 years now. Just gonna ride it out i guess.....
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAWINSEOUL wrote:
I declared, but that's not all you need to do. If you read the Government Of Canada website, you will see that you need make sure you have no ties inside Canada including:

RRSP accounts
loans
residences
drivers licence
credit Cards
ect...

Even if you claim non-residency status, the government can still tax you if they believe you have ties inside Canada.


You can still have *some* ties, but if you have a lot, then they can tax you.

I declared non-residency. My medicare card was about to expire anyway, and I have no drivers licence, loans, or credit cards in Canada. I have no residence there either. I do still have some investments, but that's about it. I closed my bank account.

I'm not sure how long I'll be staying here, but I figured it was likely that I'd come for at least two years, and possibly more, and since it wasn't much effort, I figured it'd be worth it to avoid any taxes.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wings wrote:
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remember you've already been taxed in korea, you don't have to be taxed on that once you come back home...you didn't make any income in Canada, so claim it that way...unless you were bringing some huge amount of money then you may have problems...10k won't even show up on their radar...


The way that this "you won't be taxed twice" thing works is that they will deduct the % of tax you already paid from what you will have to pay. So if they decided you would have to pay 35% tax on your income, but in korea you already paid 3.3% then you would have to pay the other 31.6%

Also if you are a resident of Canada they don't care where you made your money, it is still taxable IN Canada.

You can declare that you made nothing, which I have done in the past, although not from Korea, and risk it. I had a friend who did this and got audited and had to turn over pretty much all her savings.

As was stated before you can't just declare non-residency, you need to look into it really closely and do things like cancel your provincial health care plan to show that you really are a non resident of Canada and that y ou shouldn't be paying tax becuase you aren't using anythings that are funded with this tax. Make sure you don't cash any of those nice checks you get from the governement etc.


This is sound advice.
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JAWINSEOUL



Joined: 19 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes some ties are allowed, but who knows what mood the tax officer will be in that day.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not quite as simple as listing your ties to Canada. You list your financial ties to Canada, including property owned there, and do the same for Korea. Health insurance, property and investments are pretty big ties to Canada. I had student loans, a bank account and drivers licence, and that wasn't a problem though.

Under ties to Korea, you can mention things like contracts for cellphone and internet, Kotesol membership along with the usual bank accounts etc., and all the stuff you bought with you, or while you were there. You want to make it look like your ties to Korea are stronger than those to Canada for them to declare you a non resident.

The non residency paperwork, and your first tax return when you get back take an eternity to process, as there's only one small office that handles them. When I worked for the Canada Revenue Agency last year, anytime there was an NR form, or a date of entry/departure on the return, it got routed to that office
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Mea



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't bother filling out the form because I thought it was just their opinion, and I decided for myself that I'm a non-resident. I don't plan to return to Canada to live for many years, and my only ties are 2 bank accounts and a student loan. I do send money home a few times a year to pay off the loan and sometimes worry that they'll look into it and wonder where the money is coming from, if I don't file again...

On my 2006 tax form, I put my Korean address down and only claimed my Canadian income since I didn't come to Korea til 2007. I have no idea what I will do next spring - simply stop filing or put income at 0?
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funkywinkerbeans



Joined: 17 Feb 2006
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with declaring non residence status is there's no set criteria. I filled out the form years ago and was declared a resident of both Canada and Korea. I phoned up some bureacrat in Ottawa and had a long discussion about this dual status that they declared I was.

AA friend with around the same ties as I had was declared a non resident

According to this bureacrat because I was declared a dual resident, I only pay Canadian taxes on my Canadian earned money and Korean Taxes on The Korean Money.

As another poster stated, they seem to look at primary ties such as property, health care card, car, government cheques, to determine status.

Others such as bank account, credit card, driver's license seem to be less primary ties.
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thought of taxes makes my stomach churn. I hate filing taxes.

This is my second contract in Korea, and I didn't file taxes last year at all. This year I suppose I'll have to, since my contract is up at the end of February and I think I'll be going home.

I didn't declare non-residency. I still have my drivers licence, bank account, credit cards, and student line of credit at home. I think I'm screwed.

Does anyone know any way around this? My Mom said she was talking to someone at home whose daughter was in Japan. This woman said something like if you have been out of the country for more than 2 years, you don't have to worry about it? Something like that? Does that sound familiar to anyone, or is my Mom completely nuts? I hope she's right.
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