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Korea is tough on the wallet

 
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Korea is tough on the wallet Reply with quote

Foreign CEOs Say Korea Is Tough on the Wallet
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Chief executive officers are highly paid, but that does not mean they can't complain about the cost of living in Korea....
"The reason that prices of real estate and food in particular are high in Seoul is that there are too many regulations," he said. "Even domestic companies are leaving the country to find bases overseas because of the cost of doing business here."

By Lee Se-jung, JoongAng Ilbo (April 23, 2007)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2874741
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummmm...is this CEO paying W3 million a month for an apartment?
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Korea can be pretty expensive. CEO's tend to live in the best areas in the most expensive and newest buildings, driving nice cars, etc.

But then again, is it any different anywhere else?
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bixlerscott



Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the CEO is not paying anything out of thier wallet and are getting it all paid for by his/her company. Of course, if they are a cost concious chief(most say they are, but still live large on the company), they are concerned with controlling costs just as your hagwon director is(true to the fact of cost controll as we know), becuase the chief is solely responsible for profits and losses for which the owners hold him/her responsible for.

Korea's economy defies rules that apply in Western countries in some ways and in some ways not so, not to say it is better or worse. Just an objective analysis I present.

Some things like meat, cheese, beer, wine, booze, fruit, Western style restaurants, and vegatables will run you 2X to 3X cost of that in the USA which we are clearly aware of, even in traditional market places. Other things like bus, taxi, bottled water, internet cafe, and some seafoods are clearly 2X to 3X cheaper than in the USA.

Of course, Western style business class anything is very very expensive in Korea such hotels, bars, and restaurants so those CEO's in the article the OP provided a link to are accurate in thier claims. I could not save any money if I ate in Western style restaurants often and shopped in sleek sophisticated shiny marble floor places like Lotte where you see suits and bling all around you. I will have to pass on HanStyle until I have a real professional well paying career. No need to incur dry cleaning costs here on this gig as it's proper to dress casually. Heck my head teacher wore cargo shorts and T-shirt to work today and we all dress like we are on vacation!!! But a vacation it is not, far shot.

But if you go to to a traditional market place (real Korea) and find say, a grilled fish (tasty) with side dish service(not tasty) and soju(cheap buzz), that will set you back only 5 US dollars per person. Tasty BBQ chicken on a stick runs 1000 won which 3 or 4 of these with some pricey bananas make a good lunch or dinner for a single guy.

You can live cheaply and save money or you can live large and expensive, depends on how shiny the floor is, how much meat and cheese is present, and how much Western ideas are present in the places you go to spend Won.

So as you can see, not everything correlates into a tidy cost of living index concept like Western economies have, but the general rules of how clean and fancy a place is do apply, albeit luxories and some food necessities costing more here than in the USA.

Now I would be hurting if I had to pay rent on top of my food and utilities costs, but since I do not, I save a little.

But to be honest, nearly all the foreign teachers I know are living paycheck to paycheck, while I am not. I am achieving about 800K mil Won per month savings in my first 4 months here. Of course I am not doing much more than going to PC bangs, drinking Cass Red 2 nights a week, taking cheap weekend bus trips, while I am splurging on expensive fruits, juices, and meats, becuase I need to eat healthy or I get too stressed. The increased food costs here are trimming my wallet a bit(20K Won a day), but if I wanted to, I could get thriftier on food and drink choices. Like the CEO's in the OP's article, I do not want to be that uncomfortable, placing stress on me for afterall, I am working quite long hours on my feet in a fast paced job requiring a great deal of mental exertion that is not really all that easy like many posters of this site claim it to be. (conditions are different in every teaching position) Of course, I did not come for a real easy way to go, just a doable way for a college grad of modest means.

As for costs, like anywere else, it's all in your lifestyle, albiet, food and drink often costs more than we are used to which is your major expense, besides any weekend and vacation traveling you do, especially international travel. That will kill the savings for sure.

That is my cost in Korea analysis.


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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Ummmm...is this CEO paying W3 million a month for an apartment?

Hell no. CEOs?! Try two to four times that, unless their company bought the place outright as many have post-IMF. It all depends, but W3 mil. won't get you much in some areas of Seoul. Even fairly junior-level embassy staff, US military & DoD contractors, etc. -- they're paying more than W3 mil. for housing.

You're probably making the point that it's not coming out of his own pocket. I know people like to call employer-provided housing "free", but I've never seen it that way.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know these CEOs are having so much trouble with money. If they want, I could lend them a bit if they promise to pay me back.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They nickel and dime you to death in this country.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest hazzard to your wallet as far as savings is concerned is the need to alleviate the isolation that is a result fo living in Korean culture. I am living in Thailand now and making considerably less but saving much of abou the same as I was in Korea.
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am living in Thailand now and making considerably less but saving much of abou the same as I was in Korea.


I taught in Thailand too, but I'm able to save more each month in Korea than I earned in two months working in Thailand.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xingyiman wrote:
The biggest hazzard to your wallet as far as savings is concerned is the need to alleviate the isolation that is a result fo living in Korean culture. I am living in Thailand now and making considerably less but saving much of abou the same as I was in Korea.


yeah, those ladies won't alleviate your isolation for free
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is tough on the wallet Reply with quote

[quote="Real Reality"]Foreign CEOs Say Korea Is Tough on the Wallet
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Chief executive officers are highly paid, but that does not mean they can't complain about the cost of living in Korea....
"The reason that prices of real estate and food in particular are high in Seoul is that there are too many regulations,"


The reason is that these CEOs don't know where to find good stuff at a much lower price than in most industrialised countries. Are they unable to eat somewhere if they have to sit on the floor? Do they have to live in Gangnam to work in central Seoul? Are they stuck with the bills from nights on the town with their ajosshi friends? If a CEO can't live very comfortably in Seoul on a CEO's salary he lacks some of the very basic practical skills a CEO should have.
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