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Did Cho's father commit suicide?
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Did Cho's father commit suicide? Reply with quote

I have been hearing Koreans claiming that the shooter's father committed suicide. Do you think this is BS? I couldn't find anything on the news substantiating that.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard the same thing in my adult conversation classes. They said in was on the internet in Korean.
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FUBAR



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My gf told me that she heard it was only a rumor and both parents were taken to a hospital for evaluation b/c they had broken down upon hearing the news.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured it was a rumour. It was probably wishful thinking on the part of someone who started the rumour, because they felt the family brought shame on Korea. The fact is every country produces some crazy people, and you have the right to buy guns even if you are not a citizen. His parents warned the university about him, even teachers did. He should have been expelled long ago. I think the university screwed up big time.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
I think the university screwed up big time.


Yup. So did the police. How is it a domestic murder/suicide when no weapon is found? So did his parents. Warning your crazy kids uni about how crazy he isn't isn't parenting. That is delegation.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
I think the university screwed up big time.


Yup. So did the police. How is it a domestic murder/suicide when no weapon is found? So did his parents. Warning your crazy kids uni about how crazy he isn't isn't parenting. That is delegation.



The kid was on medication supposedly. We are not sure. If that is the case, what else were the parents supposed to do for a 23 year old child confine him to the house? How is that possible? Parents can't really be held accountable for a child passed 18.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no evidence he was on meds. It seems that was a rumor. But, if you are concerned enough about your kid that you warn his school, perhaps you ought to be doing more than warning the school.

Maybe mom could have brought him some homemade cookies every weekend as a front to have a nice chat. Moms have a way of getting their kids to open up. His dad could have hounded his boy to go fishing/ballgame/tae kwon do match/hunting/walking/to a movie. Their kid was an epic loner. They could have gone to family therapy. They could have committed him to a mental institution. They could have sent him to Korea for a few years to discover his culture. They could have sent him to Africa to learn what REAL suffering looks like. They could have done more. Whatever they did, it was not enough. And because it was not enough, 32 people are dead. It isn't all their fault, but it is some. And the schools, and the police. And, as much as my libertarian ears hate to hear it, it is partially the fault of a country that lets a screwed up young man with 500$ in his pocket buy a handgun.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
There is no evidence he was on meds. It seems that was a rumor. But, if you are concerned enough about your kid that you warn his school, perhaps you ought to be doing more than warning the school.

Maybe mom could have brought him some homemade cookies every weekend as a front to have a nice chat. Moms have a way of getting their kids to open up. His dad could have hounded his boy to go fishing/ballgame/tae kwon do match/hunting/walking/to a movie. Their kid was an epic loner. They could have gone to family therapy. They could have committed him to a mental institution. They could have sent him to Korea for a few years to discover his culture. They could have sent him to Africa to learn what REAL suffering looks like. They could have done more. Whatever they did, it was not enough. And because it was not enough, 32 people are dead. It isn't all their fault, but it is some. And the schools, and the police. And, as much as my libertarian ears hate to hear it, it is partially the fault of a country that lets a screwed up young man with 500$ in his pocket buy a handgun.



I guess it is like the parents of the Indian-Canadian parents whose sikh boy shot a bunch of students at Dawson College in Montreal. His mum seemed kind of clueless. She didn't know her son looked at goth type stuff and violent sites, drank lots of whisky. Some women know how to produce children and just follow the husband and make money as immigrants and the father is too busy to deal with his son acting up and just keeps wishing he will change. At least, that is my take. Not trying to be unfair. But that is what it looks like that the parents didn't pay attention in both cases. You could argue the same with the Columbine kids and their parents, and they are native born Americans. Not enough parenting is being done or caring for what is happening with people.


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thepeel



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Columbine kids had pipe bombs and sawed off shotguns in their rooms. Their parents were beyond absentee.

I was talking with my dad in November when I was at home. We were discussing my drinking habits while in high school. I rather proudly told him that I had successfully hidden many cases of beer from him over those years. He said "yeah, but why did you drink Pilsner?". It didn't hit me until later that he knew everything I was up to. At the time (high school), I would have squawked about my privacy etc etc but I'll do the same thing to my kid.

Parents must know what's up with their kids. Too much can go wrong.

And warning a school isn't parenting. It just isn't. A 20 something undergrad student is an exceptionally immature creature.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic seems somehow related to another topic I read.

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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this thread already happened yesterday after the rumour started in my staff room but the mods in their wisdom decided to hide it so that it come again every day for a week.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
The kid was on "medication" supposedly. We are not sure. If that is the case, what else were the parents supposed to do for a 23 year old child confine him to the house? How is that possible? Parents can't really be held accountable for a child passed 18.


Ah yes, PROZAC strikes again. Yummy! Twisted Evil

Med-i-TATION will always be our best Med-i-CATION Idea

There is a war.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
The kid was on "medication" supposedly. We are not sure. If that is the case, what else were the parents supposed to do for a 23 year old child confine him to the house? How is that possible? Parents can't really be held accountable for a child passed 18.


Ah yes, PROZAC strikes again. Yummy! Twisted Evil

Med-i-TATION will always be our best Med-i-CATION Idea

There is a war.


I have not yet heard of his parents referring him to a psychiatrist or him taking medication. I am wondering if he actually ever was on medication for any real length of time. Did his parents make sure he got treated?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitarbutnoclue wrote:

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Ah yes, PROZAC strikes again.


First, that's an ignorant claim. Independent studies of that drug have not confirmed any link between its use and a tendency toward violence. The only possible link that is still under investigation is the critical phase when the drug is being introduced to the body in the first few months after diagnosis and the beginning of treatment.

And there appear to be no records that Cho ever filled his prescriptions anyhow.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
And there appear to be no records that Cho ever filled his prescriptions anyhow.


http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350808512

Comments from Cho's roommate at Virginia Tech....

He said Cho seemed to go through his normal morning routine: went to the bathroom, dressed and took his medicine. Aust said Cho had prescription medication, but he did not know what it was. Cho also wore contacts and used eyedrops.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough if he was on meds for his emotional problems or what.

I did read that he was temporarily committed to a mental institution.

I can't blame the parents too much on this, at least not at this stage.. They told the school. He was evaluated at a psychiatric hospital. Who knows if their English was good enough to have access to information that would have helped him. I mean..his sister went to Princeton, so she at least had great English but after she left...who knows. The family doesn't seem very close either. So maybe they felt trapped with this strange child that they couldn't get through to. Who knows...

There are just too many unknowns for me to throw them under the bus at this point....
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