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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

Virginia Korean community still reeling By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer
Sun Apr 22, 7:27 PM ET



CENTREVILLE, Va. - Korean Americans in the community where Seung-Hui Cho grew up are still reeling from the shock of learning that the Virginia Tech gunman was one of their own. But many say Cho was a stranger even among the tight-knit families who were his neighbors.

Cho moved to northern Virginia when he was 8 and was raised in a growing immigrant community where the pressure to succeed was overwhelming and seeking mental health care carries a stigma.

After the slayings, Korean Americans held prayer meetings and candlelight vigils as they struggled to understand how Cho slipped through the cracks.

"I think we failed him as a society at large," says Josephine Kim, a mental health expert who also emigrated from South Korea at age 8. "I think our community failed him, the school system failed him, and definitely the immigrant life really failed him."

She said the family was told in the U.S. that Cho suffered from autism � but no records show such a diagnosis.

When her brother landed at Virginia Tech as a freshman, Sun-Kyung Cho asked friends to watch out for him, Hong said.

And she said Korean society � Confucian, patriarchal, and steeped in pride, dignity and the importance of family � has long viewed mental illness as a taboo topic best kept in the closet.

Many Koreans consider it "a sign of bad blood or a sin to be depressed, Kim said. "It's against our culture to talk about these things."

In immigrant families, the generation gap often is exacerbated by the cultural divide of parents struggling to make ends meet while their children try to become American, she said.

"We respond to this tragedy as Americans and as Koreans, so let's pray for this nation, that this nation will heal," the Rev. Dihan Lee said in prayer.

Many sobbed openly. After praying, they scribbled messages of condolences and faith on Hokies banners to take back to the Blacksburg campus.

But Lee urged worshippers not to be ashamed of their Korean heritage.

"Right now there's a lot of shame being passed around, but it's really important to understand: This is not our shame ... even though we sense it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070422/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_koreans
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about to post this, along with a pointer to those saying it had nothing to do with Korean culture... and those saying it was only Korean culture... or any claiming it was simple... in any way.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
I was about to post this, along with a pointer to those saying it had nothing to do with Korean culture... and those saying it was only Korean culture... or any claiming it was simple... in any way.



Well, I think I generally got it right. I used political, philosophical analysis before starting to come up with conclusions. I figured the claim about autism wasn't substantiated with a medical record, because we would have heard of some medical people who treated him when he was an adolescent. It didn't happen. The good that may come out of this is more Koreans and Americans taking their kids to a shrink if it is really necessary. Sometimes people have problems. If someone needs a certain kind of care, then give it to him or her. In a way, those who neglected Cho helped cause this to happen, and these are the same people who issued an apology. I understand there is a stigma, but if a child needs psychiatric care, you can't simply ignore that. He was ignored, in a way, for too long.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

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Many Koreans consider it "a sign of bad blood or a sin to be depressed, Kim said.


That makes complete sense. Koreans expect you to constantly be in a happy smiley mood.

its as if they don't acknowledge that people have different moods, are human. If you come into work one day with less than a 100% beaming smile for everyone they are instantly "whats wrong with you. There must be something wrong. Are you sick?"

if they can't accept someone is momentarily pisssed off for some minor reason, how are they going to accept someone with a lifelong serious depressive illness?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Adventurer wrote:

Many Koreans consider it "a sign of bad blood or a sin to be depressed, Kim said.


That makes complete sense. Koreans expect you to constantly be in a happy smiley mood.

its as if they don't acknowledge that people have different moods, are human. If you come into work one day with less than a 100% beaming smile for everyone they are instantly "whats wrong with you. There must be something wrong. Are you sick?"

if they can't accept someone is momentarily pisssed off for some minor reason, how are they going to accept someone with a lifelong serious depressive illness?

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Therein lies the irony as Koreans are the most miserable looking folks in Asia. Trust me, I know - I take line 1 to work each day.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Therein lies the irony as Koreans are the most miserable looking folks in Asia. Trust me, I know - I take line 1 to work each day.


你的名字什么意思? 大概你是中国的农民, 因为你的名字听起来太无知.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in today's Herald there's article about Korea's very high suicide rate.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:
And in today's Herald there's article about Korea's very high suicide rate.



I do not like people losing their lives. I am hoping the death of Cho and the others lead many people to take their loved ones to get treatment when they are young. He did deserve it and so did those people who lost their lives.

Korea is going through a difficult time period psychologically. In the old days when people were truly suffering from hardships, starvation, people didn't commit suicide as a Buddhist lecturer informed me. It wasn't so common as it is now.

What has happened? Too many people strive for the material, look for the outer, trying to gain and gain and find nothing gained. There is nothing gained, he said, except yourself. I think our lives are precious and shouldn't be tossed away.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer:

Good article and I believe blame can be assigned all around but certainly the Korean attitude toward mental health issues must be near or at the top.

wo buxi:

It does seem to be a bit at variance with the supposed "happy face" mentality some assert here, doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Therein lies the irony as Koreans are the most miserable looking folks in Asia. Trust me, I know - I take line 1 to work each day.


你的名字什么意思? 大概你是中国的农民, 因为你的名字听起来太无知.


Again, for the umpteenth time, my name is a play on words. Read my sig.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Virginia Korean community still reeling Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
Kuros wrote:
wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Therein lies the irony as Koreans are the most miserable looking folks in Asia. Trust me, I know - I take line 1 to work each day.


你的名字什么意思? 大概你是中国的农民, 因为你的名字听起来太无知.


Again, for the umpteenth time, my name is a play on words. Read my sig.


Right, right. What were you saying about Koreans again?

P.S. How the hell does the tone change anything? Can you write the 汉字?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
flakfizer wrote:
And in today's Herald there's article about Korea's very high suicide rate.



I do not like people losing their lives. I am hoping the death of Cho and the others lead many people to take their loved ones to get treatment when they are young. He did deserve it and so did those people who lost their lives.

Korea is going through a difficult time period psychologically. In the old days when people were truly suffering from hardships, starvation, people didn't commit suicide as a Buddhist lecturer informed me. It wasn't so common as it is now.

What has happened? Too many people strive for the material, look for the outer, trying to gain and gain and find nothing gained. There is nothing gained, he said, except yourself. I think our lives are precious and shouldn't be tossed away.


It almost sounds as if he's blaming the fact that most Koreans are Christians now. Actually, I probably wouldn't totally disagree with the assertion. Buddhism stresses introspection and frowns upon such bad habits as projection while Christianity doesn't do so enough. In Buddhism, you find your strength from within; in Christianity, people concentrate too much on gaining strength from a greater power (I think many Christianity has misinterpreted that whole idea that God exists in all of us (call me blasphemous if you want (I'm an atheist anyways), but the fact remains that Christianity is repackaged Buddhism)).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction liberally proclaimed:

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Buddhism stresses introspection and frowns upon such bad habits as projection while Christianity doesn't do so enough


Uh, yeah, much in evidence in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge and in Nepal under the Maoists, not to mention the Vietnamese.

You might have added:

...and in Islam hardly at all nowadays."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Hollywoodaction liberally proclaimed:

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Buddhism stresses introspection and frowns upon such bad habits as projection while Christianity doesn't do so enough


Uh, yeah, much in evidence in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge and in Nepal under the Maoists, not to mention the Vietnamese.

You might have added:

...and in Islam hardly at all nowadays."


Wrong -ism. That was communism.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Hollywoodaction liberally proclaimed:

Quote:
Buddhism stresses introspection and frowns upon such bad habits as projection while Christianity doesn't do so enough


Uh, yeah, much in evidence in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge and in Nepal under the Maoists, not to mention the Vietnamese.

You might have added:

...and in Islam hardly at all nowadays."


Wrong -ism. That was communism...and therefore your point is moot ("religion is the opiate of the masses").
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