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gdnchg



Joined: 20 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Gyopo - Coming to Korea without a BA Reply with quote

Hello everyone...
Here's my situation. I am a 33 year old gyopo who has a very successful career in Canada...many would say that I have it made. I don't disagree but I've been feeling fed up and restless with Cdn corporate life lately and I have been yearning to take a break and come to Korea to visit my motherland for about a year to teach english. However, the problem is I graduated from university with a 3 year IT diploma and this makes me ineligible for the E2 Visa, and due to recent changes to requirements for the F4 visa I don't qualify for the F4 as well.

So I've been thinking whether it would be wise to come to SK on a tourist visa and teaching illegally or even as far as obtaining a fake BA. Now I know that this would be dishonest..but I want to escape the Great white north pretty bad, and there is no where else that I would want to spend a year other than my homeland.

So having said this, is it possible for me to come and get a teaching job on a tourist visa, and if so how would I go about doing it? If I go via the route of obtaining a fake degree, how would I do it and what would happen if I was caught in either scenario by SK immigration?

So essentially I envsion myself coming to SK on a touris visa....staying at a hostel temporarily and then trying to find a job and a place to stay for a year....is this possible? and is there cheap accommodations available in SK?

Thanks for your comments.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you are going to get any responses to your questions that you are going to like. Whatever you choose, if you work here, you will be working illegally, and subject to a fine and deportation.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Gyopo - Coming to Korea without a BA Reply with quote

gdnchg wrote:
Hello everyone...
Here's my situation. I am a 33 year old gyopo who has a very successful career in Canada...many would say that I have it made. I don't disagree but I've been feeling fed up and restless with Cdn corporate life lately and I have been yearning to take a break and come to Korea to visit my motherland for about a year to teach english. However, the problem is I graduated from university with a 3 year IT diploma and this makes me ineligible for the E2 Visa, and due to recent changes to requirements for the F4 visa I don't qualify for the F4 as well.

So I've been thinking whether it would be wise to come to SK on a tourist visa and teaching illegally or even as far as obtaining a fake BA. Now I know that this would be dishonest..but I want to escape the Great white north pretty bad, and there is no where else that I would want to spend a year other than my homeland.

So having said this, is it possible for me to come and get a teaching job on a tourist visa, and if so how would I go about doing it? If I go via the route of obtaining a fake degree, how would I do it and what would happen if I was caught in either scenario by SK immigration?

So essentially I envsion myself coming to SK on a touris visa....staying at a hostel temporarily and then trying to find a job and a place to stay for a year....is this possible? and is there cheap accommodations available in SK?

Thanks for your comments.


Why would someone who considers himself reasonably successful want to travel 1/2 way around the world to become a lawbreaker?

STAY home and save us all the grief of yet another illegal tourist getting busted and causing us all to have more hoops to jump through.

BUT (getting off my high horse):
a) the chances of you getting busted are slim,
b) you can't get a job in a responsible hakwon or public school because you are not qualified for an E2,
c) the only option is some low end hakwon that is willing to risk hiring an illegal,

SO

1) the chances of you getting screwed by some slimball hakwon owner are almost guarenteed.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious, what changes to the F4 make you ineligible?
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gdnchg



Joined: 20 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'm curious, what changes to the F4 make you ineligible?


I found out through the Korean consulate that in order to qualify for the F4, my parents had to have been full cdn citizens when I was born in Canada...but they were landed immigrants/permanent residents when I was born here...so I've been told that I am ineligible.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching illegally has its risks but *don't* go the fake degree route. That could land you in much more serious trouble, included a potential prison sentence.

And I be a bit careful about what you consider your 'homeland' to be. If you've never lived here before, you may not be here very long before you're equating that term with the Great White North.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gdnchg wrote:
'm curious, what changes to the F4 make you ineligible?


I found out through the Korean consulate that in order to qualify for the F4, my parents had to have been full cdn citizens when I was born in Canada...but they were landed immigrants/permanent residents when I was born here...so I've been told that I am ineligible.


You should double check about that. Maybe try calling the US or British Korean consulate. Even if your parents are granted permanent resident alien/immigrant status, they should still be Korean citizens.

Hence, you were born to Korean citizen parents overseas.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm offended by your whole post.

So what kind of people do you think foreign English teachers are in Korea that we would welcome and be happy to answer questions about how to obtain a fake diploma or whether it's just best to work illegally on a tourist visa?
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What poet13 said: DITTO!
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Bondrock



Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditto to the ditto
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is that a successful criminal career you made for yourself in Canada?
I know you may be desperate to get away from those whities, but do it through the proper channels. Remember I'll get 2m won for turning you in when you get here.

Don't go down the illegal route. Investigate the visa issue also try to find out which ones make you eligible for the conscription (you don't want to end up sitting on the DMZ for 2 years). You maybe too old anyway.

Have you been here before? Any relatives here? Maybe you just need a holiday, do the tourist visa but don't teach on it.
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HAITAITIGERZ



Joined: 17 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey don't sweat it ... you wanna escape, i hear 'ya! First, double check about the F4 visa ... if ur a canadian citizen and ur parents were/are korean citizens, you should get an f4 ... since you have some money, bring it to live off of for a while because you want to be able to pick and choose your job and that takes time ... although i have a bachelor degree from the US, i have only been asked about my diploma once ... which is weird cause i figure they would want to see it ... maybe because i am a gyopo they don't care but in reality you do need one to work as an english teacher in korea, gyopo or not ... all im saying is if u don't have a degree, its best to be a gyopo with an f4 than anything else ... i know plenty of gyopos without a degree who work for good hagwons and even some gyopos with degrees but never brought/shipped it over working for good hagwons because they never needed it ... but i do know some hagwons that won't hire you because you don't have a degree ... if you feel like you really want to work at that hagwon, do what a lot of people do and pay top dollar to get a fake degree ... you won't be the first to do this, trust me, it's done more often than u think ... since gyopos get an f4 visa, you can stay here in korea for 2 years and renew it without leaving the country, no problem ... the government actually wants you here and so does the hagwons to teach english ... man, there aren't enuff of us here in korea ... so for us, the degree is just to make sure we pay taxes, korea needs as much taxpayers as they can get (its only 3.3%) ... there are some people here that will tell you not to come because your breaking the law ... but in reality, the law is broken here all the time ... doing private tutoring on E2 is illegal but so many people do it ... in fact doing privates on f4 is illegal too without registering with the tax office, but who registers ... its more trouble to register ... the tax office will be shocked if you register your privates, because its rarely done ... you want to escape and come to korea ... do it! but be prepared to work hard, kids are counting on you and the parents are spending a lot of money for the children's education ... pm me if you you have anymore questions ...
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

HAITAITIGERZ wrote:
hey don't sweat it ... you wanna escape, i hear 'ya! First, double check about the F4 visa ... if ur a canadian citizen and ur parents were/are korean citizens, you should get an f4 ... since you have some money, bring it to live off of for a while because you want to be able to pick and choose your job and that takes time ... although i have a bachelor degree from the US, i have only been asked about my diploma once ... which is weird cause i figure they would want to see it ... maybe because i am a gyopo they don't care but in reality you do need one to work as an english teacher in korea, gyopo or not ... all im saying is if u don't have a degree, its best to be a gyopo with an f4 than anything else ... i know plenty of gyopos without a degree who work for good hagwons and even some gyopos with degrees but never brought/shipped it over working for good hagwons because they never needed it ... but i do know some hagwons that won't hire you because you don't have a degree ... if you feel like you really want to work at that hagwon, do what a lot of people do and pay top dollar to get a fake degree ... you won't be the first to do this, trust me, it's done more often than u think ... since gyopos get an f4 visa, you can stay here in korea for 2 years and renew it without leaving the country, no problem ... the government actually wants you here and so does the hagwons to teach english ... man, there aren't enuff of us here in korea ... so for us, the degree is just to make sure we pay taxes, korea needs as much taxpayers as they can get (its only 3.3%) ... there are some people here that will tell you not to come because your breaking the law ... but in reality, the law is broken here all the time ... doing private tutoring on E2 is illegal but so many people do it ... in fact doing privates on f4 is illegal too without registering with the tax office, but who registers ... its more trouble to register ... the tax office will be shocked if you register your privates, because its rarely done ... you want to escape and come to korea ... do it! but be prepared to work hard, kids are counting on you and the parents are spending a lot of money for the children's education ... pm me if you you have anymore questions ...


Once you establish your hagwon, it sounds like the OP will be right up your alley as far as the teachers you'll get are concerned.

Peace
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No sh!t. As soon as you get your hagwon open, maybe a visit from immi to check on the fake degree holders there would be just about right.

Between these two posters, I'm starting to smell socks and trolls...
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maybe



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gdnchg wrote:
'm curious, what changes to the F4 make you ineligible?


I found out through the Korean consulate that in order to qualify for the F4, my parents had to have been full cdn citizens when I was born in Canada...but they were landed immigrants/permanent residents when I was born here...so I've been told that I am ineligible.


As far as I know for the F4 visa, you need your hojuk deunno (family registry you get in your family's province) to prove that you have Korean ancestry in your blood. I was told the same that both of my parents had to of denounced their Korean citizenship and a whole lot of other BS.

All I actually had to do was bring in the hojuk deunno, my birth certificate, passport, 2 passport size photos, and 60,000 won to the Seoul Immigration. It's not as bad as what others have told me. The US embassy and the Korean embassy in LA was of NO HELP to me...

I suggest that you try to get the documents first and take them to an embassy and see what they say from there. You should be able to teach. I have a couple of younger cousins here who are visiting, who are also still in undergrad, that are teaching, but they have F4s.

If anything, I'm very sure that you are more than eligible for the visa. I have a friend who is third generation Korean and he has a F4. His parents were born US citizens, and the case seems somewhat similar to yours. ^^

Oh and please, DO NOT teach illegally... it will not make just any teacher look bad, but gyopos already have a VERY SHAKY rep already to boot without the unwanted help of some ignorant ones... =T
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