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Adventurer
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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: Nigerian pastors spread into Cameroon |
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Last Updated: Tuesday, 24 April 2007, 15:18 GMT 16:18 UK
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Nigerian pastors spread into Cameroon
Pentecostal churches are already highly popular in Nigeria
Authorities in Cameroon are seeking to control the surging numbers of Pentecostal churches in the country being set up by Nigerian pastors crossing over the border.
Distinguishable by the loud music which emanates during services, the churches are found in the most densely-populated areas.
With names like Christ Chapel International, Witness Chapel, and Redeemed Churches Of Cameroon, they are growing massively.
But concerned officials in the South West Cameroon governor's office, together with police, have stepped in and begun closing down some of the churches - even though Cameroon is a secular state with freedom of worship.
Christopher Mbe, a local journalist in the south-western town of Boye, said that the majority of the churches had not been legally registered.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6587833.stm |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure you and the muslims are quite upset at the spread of christianity. |
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postfundie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| How many people have the Christians killed? Oop I mean those who don't interpret Christianity like we think they should Chrisitians..... |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| I'm sure you and the muslims are quite upset at the spread of christianity. |
They are Pentecostals. If they were spreading Greek Orthodoxy or Roman or Eastern Catholicism or Anglicanicism, I would have no objection. I am wary of intolerant forms of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. I would get upset with the spread of a fanatical form of religion.
If you are Pentecostal and support the spread of their ideas. What can I do? I am not a big fan of their thinking. I support moderates. I think you didn't read the article. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
If they were spreading Greek Orthodoxy or Roman or Eastern Catholicism or Anglicanicism, I would have no objection. |
Because all the aforementioned are lifeless, formalised, empty expressions of religion?
It just so happens that pentecostal vibrant faith, a family oriented happy church is real. And it fits with the African way of life.
"People are having fun, better close it down!" |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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If they were spreading Greek Orthodoxy or Roman or Eastern Catholicism or Anglicanicism, I would have no objection. |
Because all the aforementioned are lifeless, formalised, empty expressions of religion?
It just so happens that pentecostal vibrant faith, a family oriented happy church is real. And it fits with the African way of life.
"People are having fun, better close it down!" |
Greek Orthodox people are lifeless? Eastern Catholics are lifeless?
The Roman Catholic Church is lifeless?
I have no problem with someone wanting to be a Pentecostal. That is not why I posted the article. You assumed too much. I don't even know what religion most Cameroonians follow. It was simply an article regarding
an African country. I think our forum needs diversity. I think think the churches that you called lifeless generally have more open-minded Christians than the Evangelicals. For example, Catholicism, despite its problems, in the eyes of some, doesn't say you will go to hell if you don't declare Jesus to be your saviour. Many Evangelicals do and this sows seeds of division between people. Korea is a good illustration of this where we see Buddhists and Catholics getting along better.
I meant nothing against Pentecostals. I am sure many are good people.
They don't have to be my cup of tea for me to tolerate. This is merely an article about Cameroonians being worried about the spread of these churches for some reason. Also, many Cameroonians are Presbyterians.
So they could poach from other churches. That may have been a concern coming from Cameroon.
How about thinking before jumping to conclusions, Junior? Wouldn't that be fair? |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Greek Orthodox people are lifeless? Eastern Catholics are lifeless?
The Roman Catholic Church is lifeless? |
Yes. All just meaningless pomp and tradition, formality. The only sponataneous, popular and happy church is the one you want to ban. You prefer people to be put into a strait-jacketed form of christianity than be allowed to experience what they find to be free, modern, and fun.
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| I think think the churches that you called lifeless generally have more open-minded Christians than the Evangelicals. |
What you mean is they go against scripture in order to tell people what they want to hear.
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| For example, Catholicism, despite its problems, in the eyes of some, doesn't say you will go to hell if you don't declare Jesus to be your saviour. |
Which is just one of the numerous reasons it is a deviant branch of christianity. It doesn't even follow the bible.
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| Many Evangelicals do and this sows seeds of division between people. |
Unfortunately truth always causes division between those who like it and those who don't.
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| How about thinking before jumping to conclusions, Junior? Wouldn't that be fair? |
Whats really at issue here is that you want to restrict peoples religious freedom. Pentecostal churches are harmless: they are a force for good in the community- so why are you anti?
You permit the catholic church free reign yet historically that "church" has killed more people in history than anyone else. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Greek Orthodox people are lifeless? Eastern Catholics are lifeless?
The Roman Catholic Church is lifeless? |
Yes. All just meaningless pomp and tradition, formality. The only sponataneous, popular and happy church is the one you want to ban. You prefer people to be put into a strait-jacketed form of christianity than be allowed to experience what they find to be free, modern, and fun.
[That is your opinion. There is a strong meditation aspect to Orthodoxy. Have you heard of Mount Athos in Greece? Probably not. Also, in the Catholic tradition there is a lot of spirituality as well, meditation, devotion. I don't think Catholicism or Orthodoxy are more restrictive than Evangelical Christianity. It just appears to be so on the surface.
If you were talking about Lutherans and Anglicans you may have a point.
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| I think think the churches that you called lifeless generally have more open-minded Christians than the Evangelicals. |
What you mean is they go against scripture in order to tell people what they want to hear.
[Actually, no they are going by scripture, just not your interpretation.
As a Bishop put it to me, the person who died on a cross near Jesus was
told he was to go to heaven. He was not baptized. According to many Evangelicals, someone who is not baptized literally would go to hell.
According to Catholicism based on the Bible it is not fair to make such a judgement based on what Jesus has said. This is one example.
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| For example, Catholicism, despite its problems, in the eyes of some, doesn't say you will go to hell if you don't declare Jesus to be your saviour. |
Which is just one of the numerous reasons it is a deviant branch of christianity. It doesn't even follow the bible.
[It is not the one that deviated. The Protestant churches split from it, so they deviated. It can be argued what is true Christianity. If you are
Lutheran, Anglican, Catholic, Baptist, or Greek Orthodox you are Christian, but Christians don't think alike. They are all welcome to their opinions. I just think Evangelicals condemn people to hell very quickly.
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| Many Evangelicals do and this sows seeds of division between people. |
Unfortunately truth always causes division between those who like it and those who don't.
[Truth? You mean your truth. I am reminded by the words of a movie "You can't handle the truth". The Bible does not say to condemn people and to assume because they are of another faith that they are going to hell. That is sows seeds of division. How is positive to say truth simply sows the seeds of division?
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| How about thinking before jumping to conclusions, Junior? Wouldn't that be fair? |
Whats really at issue here is that you want to restrict peoples religious freedom. Pentecostal churches are harmless: they are a force for good in the community- so why are you anti?
You permit the catholic church free reign yet historically that "church" has killed more people in history than anyone else. |
No, that is not what I said. You said I didn't want Christianity spread in Cameroon. I said I don't prefer Pentecostalism spreading there. However, they are free to spread the belief in anything. I am not for Russia restricting Protestants, for example and only allowing the Orthodox, Catholics, Jews, and Muslims to have official status as I am against Muslim states from allowing Christian fathers to marry Muslim women and have Christian children if the decision is mutual. I think I am very fair. I am allowed to think certain sects that promote division are not the best for a nation. Why not? |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Evangelicals, which includes pentacostals are insane cultists. The thing that wrong with Christianity these days is exactly this rise of fanatical hate mongers: evangelicals. And yes, it is very much a danger in africa, every bit as much as islam. Both are fanatical, hateful expressions of faith. You call it lively, I call it hateful. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think you both need to step into reality.
How you manage to compare aloving and giving, popular comunity church to a fear-filled regime of Islam is beyond all comprehension.
One is voluntary, the other enforced by extreme violence.
Christian charities providing aid, medicine and services to Africa are the largest in the region. Islamicists spread only war and terror.
yet you say christianity is a "danger"..?
You are really ridiculous. Both of you. this thread dies. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you both need to step into reality |
You need to, actually.
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| How you manage to compare aloving and giving, popular comunity church to a fear-filled regime of Islam is beyond all comprehension. |
Look at what the evangelicals have done in the US. Their fanaticism is a huge danger. These are people who, just like Islam, are trying to force their morals on others.
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| yet you say christianity is a "danger"..? |
Christianity is not. Christianity in the way evangelicals see it, surely is.
And let's not even get into the fact that evangelical churches have no validity. The Roman Catholic church is the only church that has a direct lineage from Jesus through Peter and Paul. Evangelical churches have a lineage to cult leaders. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The Roman Catholic church is the only church that has a direct lineage from Jesus through Peter and Paul. |
Its not about lineage.
its about following Gods instructions in the bible.
the catholic church does'nt do that.
in fact it has veered off a long time back into paganism and idol worship. it has become the fake church, designed to misrepresent christianity. The amount of innocent people molested and killed by this money hungry organisation is phenomenal.
And yet whenever people whine about christianity, they refer to the evils of catholicism. Catholicism is not christianity. Its a cult of beads, bells, weeping statues and smells. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| The Roman Catholic church is the only church that has a direct lineage from Jesus through Peter and Paul. |
Its not about lineage.
its about following Gods instructions in the bible.
the catholic church does'nt do that.
in fact it has veered off a long time back into paganism and idol worship. it has become the fake church, designed to misrepresent christianity. The amount of innocent people molested and killed by this money hungry organisation is phenomenal.
And yet whenever people whine about christianity, they refer to the evils of catholicism. Catholicism is not christianity. Its a cult of beads, bells, weeping statues and smells. |
Luther was Satan-incarnate. The fact is that when you hear the hatered coming from the religious right towards anyone not like them, its never catholics but evangelicals.
What was the FUNDAMENTAL lesson Jesus taught? To love thy neighbor, forgive those who sin against you, love thy enemy. This is the lesson the hate mongers from the evangelical churches forgot a long time ago, about the time hatred consumed their souls. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Infact, lets get specific.
Pentacostals.
Jesus Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp
What was the Jesus camp? An orgy of hatred. This is what makes the pentacostal church so dangerous. Its not a positive church. Its a CULT that indoctrinates its followers to HATE HATE HATE. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| HATE HATE HATE. |
The only "hate" i see going on here is from you towards people with have harmless beliefs.
You refer to a movie. An agenda- driven hollywood movie.
Even though that is your prize exhibit A, i still see NOTHING wrong in its portrayal. So christians raise their children in the faith? So what? they teach them to pray for others and behave well. Big deal. None of this amounts to "hate".
I really think you should look into Islam and how they routinely stone women to death, if you want to get perspective.
Truth is that you westerners are utterly spoiled by the fortunate history of christianity, freedom and tolerance that you've had for so long, that you've begun to pick holes in it out of boredom. |
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