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TML1976



Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:05 am    Post subject: Starting your own hagwon. Reply with quote

Hey,

I not sure if I should be posting this here or in the jobs-related forum, but I think it makes more sense to do it here.

What does it take for a foreigner to open a hagwon in Korea?

I don't mean something big. In fact, what I would like to do is set up a legal private tutoring service. Where my wife and I would teach out of our own home for a few hours a day after our 9-5 jobs.

Is this at all possible? If so, what does it take to do it?

Thanks in advance.
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Original



Joined: 21 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Hagwon opening Reply with quote

I am too lazy to type all the answers and questions that would have to go with this post. Feel free to PM and I can probably give you some help.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Starting your own hagwon. Reply with quote

TML1976 wrote:
Hey,

I not sure if I should be posting this here or in the jobs-related forum, but I think it makes more sense to do it here.

What does it take for a foreigner to open a hagwon in Korea?

I don't mean something big. In fact, what I would like to do is set up a legal private tutoring service. Where my wife and I would teach out of our own home for a few hours a day after our 9-5 jobs.

Is this at all possible? If so, what does it take to do it?

Thanks in advance.


Unless your wife is Korean it would take a minimum 50 million won investment to change your visa to D8 (investors visa).

Then you can start to deal with the education office for licencing as a hakwon.

If you are married to a Korean the rules change and it is too complex to get into here.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few problems along the way

1. Find a spot to run it
2. Find ESL teachers
3. Find housing for these ESL teachers
4. Find customers
5. Find all the money for the first few months to pay for it all
6. Find someone who can help you through the jungle of paperwork

No

Thank you
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there was a thread on efllaw.com (can't remember the site) about a guy trying to open up a hagwon near busan. I recommend going over to that site and searching for the thread. From what I remember it seemed VERY complicated
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting your own hagwon. Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

Unless your wife is Korean it would take a minimum 50 million won investment to change your visa to D8 (investors visa).

Then you can start to deal with the education office for licencing as a hakwon.


Can a D-8 work as an independent contractor, such as for a hagwon?

Can a D-8 tutor, i.e. do privates?
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Starting your own hagwon. Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:
ttompatz wrote:

Unless your wife is Korean it would take a minimum 50 million won investment to change your visa to D8 (investors visa).

Then you can start to deal with the education office for licencing as a hakwon.


Can a D-8 work as an independent contractor, such as for a hagwon?

Can a D-8 tutor, i.e. do privates?


Hmm, if that's the case, maybe you can invest 50million in some...place...instead of your house, then do Privates out of that. If it's just you, your wife, and maybe one or two other teachers, you should be able to recoup that cost in a year or two.
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TML1976



Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Jurugen
Like I said it, it would be a private tutoring thing, so numbers 1-5 would not apply to me or I've already taken care of it. However, I can see some serious challenges waiting for me with number 6. That's kinda of the reason I'm posting this, to get some info about it.

Thanks xCustomx I didn't think of efllaw, I'll check it out today.

@ ttompatz
my wife is not korean and I certainly don't have 50k lying around for investment, so I have to come up with another way.

Thanks for your responses, if anybody else can help I would appreciate it.

Original, I'll be in touch.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TML1976 wrote:

@ ttompatz
my wife is not korean and I certainly don't have 50k lying around for investment, so I have to come up with another way.


Sorry man, I see no way in which you would both be able to do this legally.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TML1976 wrote:
@ Jurugen
Like I said it, it would be a private tutoring thing, so numbers 1-5 would not apply to me or I've already taken care of it. However, I can see some serious challenges waiting for me with number 6. That's kinda of the reason I'm posting this, to get some info about it.


Mea Culpa

Basicly what you are going to do is run your own personal Hagwon.

Let me give you some tips.
Try to find a populated area with below average amount of Hagwons.
Show your face a lot in that area, and always be friendly, especially when they are trying to communicate with you.
Do ONE serious effort in advertising your intentions.

Under these conditions you have customers within a week.

I was quit surprised at my succes rate ...
After a year i am still attracting new customers purely thorugh word of mouth.

You cannot do it legally so i wouldn't worry too much about the paperwork. Unless you can do it as an investment, and hire yourself as an employee.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

I am American and my wife is Korean and we have a LEGAL "hakwon" in our home. When we were filling out our tutor's license info at the local Education Office I saw that E-2 and F series holders ARE legally allowed to teach English privately (but since I am on an F series visa..I cared not to inquire about how and E-2 holder could do it). When we inquired about me doing privates the woman in charge of licensing was not sure, so she thumbed through the "rule book" to see who is allowed...and I saw E-2, but you may need permission from your primary place of employment (assuming you have one and not a tourist). That'll be your homework (take a Korean with you to the Kyo yook cheong <교육청>spelling?). From there they can explain in detail how much you are allowed to charge, how many students per class, and taxation issues.

Just fyi, our limits are: 9 students per room and 300,000 won per month per student max. To get around that limit, since it's you and your wife, just split the fee. I mean, our HS students pay 500,000 a month. 300,000 for my wife and 200,000 for my services....so just claim the max, but there are some caveats. I will post a detailed explanation soon.

Do not visit immigration to ask them for permission...ours (I told my wife not to ask as I knew their retarded answer) told us explicitly "No!" (even rudely), yet 30 minutes later I submitted my forms and got my certificate 3 days later in the mail. Wait...you are not on an F series...hmmmm.

One last thing...I'd keep it on the legit side. Jealous people are everywhere, Korean and non-Korean and will rat you out (even if you are legit...just to give you a headache or until they realise you are legally teaching).

Good luck!

!shoosh,

Ryst
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TML1976 wrote:
my wife is not korean and I certainly don't have 50k lying around for investment, so I have to come up with another way.


You don't really need 5k man won sitting around. Just borrow the money for the time needed to get the visa. From what I've heard, the going rate for this is about W1,000,000.
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TML1976



Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut

Thank you, that was some good info. My school is pretty good and I can see them giving me the permission, I will definetly try it and see what happens.

Cheers.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut wrote:
so she thumbed through the "rule book" to see who is allowed...and I saw E-2, but you may need permission from your primary place of employment

E-2s are not permitted to teach privately. The "rulebook" was probably pointing that out.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Ryst Helmut wrote:
so she thumbed through the "rule book" to see who is allowed...and I saw E-2, but you may need permission from your primary place of employment

E-2s are not permitted to teach privately. The "rulebook" was probably pointing that out.


OP,

I strenuously suggest that you go to your area's Kyo Yook Cheong to inquire the legality. Frank and I are on opposing sides of the belief here (my Korean reading skills are good, but my wife's is 'flawless' and she read the same thing I did...E-2s ARE permitted <as long as your primary work place signs off on the work>).

Don't take my (or anyone's) word...get it straight from the horse's mouth, then please report back your findings. I believe this would help clear things up for many, especially me! Then again...my local immi told me flat out that it'd be illegal for me to teach privately.

Ho hum Rolling Eyes

!shoosh,

Ryst
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