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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: No Guns In Canada; They Just Stab People to Death... |
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Shame on Canada for this culturally-produced violence...
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A 26-year-old Toronto man has been charged in the fatal stabbing of another man inside a subway car.
John Paul Vallon faces a charge of second-degree murder and is scheduled to appear in court at 1911 Eglinton Avenue East on Friday. Police arrested him early Thursday afternoon.
A Toronto transit worker discovered 21-year-old Nick Brown, stabbed and bleeding, inside the subway car after the final train of the night pulled into Kennedy subway station last Friday.
A lengthy police investigation into the homicide led to the closure of two stations on the Bloor-Danforth line � Kennedy for several hours and Victoria Park for most of the day.
Another stabbing at Kennedy on Wednesday has prompted calls for beefed up security at the station. A 16-year-old is in hospital after he was stabbed in the back while outside on a bus platform. |
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'More scary every year'
In response to the latest incidents, the Toronto Transit Commission plans to increase patrols of the commission's special constables.
"Kennedy is one of the stations we're most concerned about.� It has so much traffic in it," said Coun. Adam Giambrone, TTC chair.
More than 80,000 people travel through Kennedy Station each day, one of the TTC's busiest stations.
Located at Eglinton Avenue East and Kennedy Road in the city's east end, the station is a hub for the Scarborough Rapid Transit Line, TTC buses and the Bloor-Danforth subway line.
Kennedy Station is one of the few to have security cameras installed, and more cameras are on the way, says Giambrone.
"It's not a safe place. It's getting violent and more scary every year," said Martha Westgate, who uses the station daily, usually alone.
She's one of many passengers calling for more security cameras and officers.
Usha Nanathini, 29, was working the late shift at the station when Wednesday's stabbing happened. Calling the shift spooky, she says she often witnesses fights and is looking for another job... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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It is funny that you posted this, because I just posted about the fact that you can't ban knives and that stabbings have increased in North America in general. You have to deal with the culture rather than simply the weapons, but I agree with some gun control. After all, Cho couldn't exactly kill a bunch of people with a knife. I could easily jump some short guy with a knife and take it away. But if he has a gun in college what am I going to do? Throw a college text book at him? You can kill less people with knives. You can get a knife in Korea, but you can't really get guns, so you can easily commit a massacre. There is a difference.
But is what you posted anti-Canadian? No, Gopher, it is just a debate. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Of course it is not antiCanadian, Adventurer.
Now if I were to scour the net for such stories, present them here with something of a chip on my shoulder, and then drone on about Canada's failings and shortcomings for twenty-plus pages, not to mention my disatisfaction with its foreign policies, and on and on and on...
That might constitute undue harshness. Would you not agree?
And are you suggesting that the knifing victims ought to feel lucky...? 
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| I could easily jump some short guy with a knife and take it away. |
This last is a joke, right? |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Was that 33 dead in the subway station? Oops, no it was one. Hmmmm.... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Gopher"]Of course it is not antiCanadian, Adventurer.
Now if I were to scour the net for such stories, present them here with something of a chip on my shoulder, and then drone on about Canada's failings and shortcomings for twenty-plus pages, not to mention my disatisfaction with its foreign policies, and on and on and on...
That might constitute undue harshness. Would you not agree?
And are you suggesting that the knifing victims ought to feel lucky...?
| Adventurer wrote: |
| I could easily jump some short guy with a knife and take it away. |
This last is a joke, right?[/quote
If you are knifed and you are carrying a knife, then you are dying an honourable death of a Samurai.  Of course, you aren't lucky. Your life has been terminated.
As far as jumping someone and taking the knife way, someone versed in martial artist would not want to deal with someone having a knife, but you would rather have someone with a knife than a gun. If Cho, for example, came out at you with a knife and you had some kind of heavy object and could catch him off guard then you have a chance of not getting killed but someone coming after you with a knife whether in Kitchener, Ontario, or Dallas, Texas you have a chance of surviving but if someone has a gun forget about it. There is a clear difference.
The only reason people talk about guns being sacred is because of the U.S. Constitution. I say fair enough, but why do non-citizens get guns, why do people need semi-automatic guns? We aren't allowed to carry machine guns. Some might view that as a violation of the constitution.
How do you fine arms? I mean someone could call a rocket launcher something that they should have a right to bare. Clearly, there is some gun control. Of course, simply banning guns won't work, it is unconstitutional.
Feel free to post about foreign policy things you don't like about France or England or Canada. That's what this board is about. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ...why do non-citizens get guns, why do people need semi-automatic guns? We aren't allowed to carry machine guns. Some might view that as a violation of the constitution... |
Which Constitutional provision or amendment exactly do you refer to here, Adventurer?
In any case, this story treats Canada's pattern of violence in Toronto's subway system and a specific knife-death incident that currently makes Canadian news.
Please note that one woman who works in the subway system is looking for a new job because the violence is so bad there, she no longer feels safe.
Interestingly, Octavius dismisses this entirely because it only deals with one death. I imagine that Canadians only care about victims in the double-digits...hmm.
And as far as Cho's killings go, Adventurer, I am not sure how that has anything to do with automatic weapons, etc. Cho used a Walther and a Glock -- handguns. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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The most telling stat is that mass murders really began to spike in the late 1960's about the same time liberals got out of control and God was relegated to the back bench.
But that could be coincidence, right? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Drug abuse started to become more common, too. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| Gun control is bullshit.. Both Il Duce and Adolf supported gun control, same goes for commies. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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So let's recap, the reason for the increase in mass shootings is:
1. religion's (Sorry, Christianity's) decline in the West
2. drug abuse
Well that settles it, guns for everyone and a copy of the bible and some methadone! |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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More precisely, the cause of the upsurge in murder, promiscuity, and drug abuse was due to people with attitudes like you, Octavius, reaching a critical mass and being spurred on in the media. And, yes, the decline in religious values in the general population and proper parenting.
Of course liberals weren't solely to blame for this malaise but it was liberal and libertarian social attitudes that brought it on. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
So let's recap, the reason for the increase in mass shootings is:
1. religion's (Sorry, Christianity's) decline in the West
2. drug abuse
Well that settles it, guns for everyone and a copy of the bible and some methadone! |
It would appear you are on crack. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget the civil rights, gay rights and womens rights movements!
Darn Liberals! |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Of course what these nutbars fail to mention is that while the decline of Christianity post 1945 may have helped the general decline of wesetrn society, what about societies pre-1945? Ahhh who wouldn't like to go back to those heady days of genocide based on religion??? Good times.
What I like about this board is the total lack of sense that people like steve and this newbie nut bring. Its good tosee consitancy though. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
The most telling stat is that mass murders really began to spike in the late 1960's about the same time liberals got out of control and God was relegated to the back bench.
But that could be coincidence, right? |
Do you speak for god? |
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