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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Korean uni students in America and babies |
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Here in the states at the university I am doing some research at this summer, the ESL program has a nickname: "Korean maternity ward"
Seems the hubbies come to study engineering or some other discipline, bring along their newlyweds and they have a child while here, taking advantage of free medical coverage under the student health plan and gaining American citizenship for their baby.
On another note: The uni has several on-campus communities - - condominiums, apartments, etc. There is one condo community in particular that has been "Koreanized" They've cloistered themselves there and manage to keep the apartments in Korean student hands by subletting their condo to another Korean student when they know they are going to be leaving. The subletter then has first dibs on the condo by the campus accomodations system; they don't have to go on the waiting list.
I took a walk at this condominium the other evening. Of about 120 or so cars, I saw only 9 American-branded cars; the rest were Toyota (about 70%; acknowledge these could have been made in the U.S., but still, not American), Honda and an occasional Hyundai or Kia. Baby carseats in quite a few.
Taking a walk on another on-campus condo community and I see the cars are at least 70% American brands: Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler. |
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kurva anjad
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I have one girl in my high school like this. Her father went to medical school in the States and had her. At Virginia Tech ironically. On the first week of school, her mother came to talk to me, asking about how she could have her daughter go to school in the US. I told I didn't really know about the US system, but I'd research for them. Anyway, she (the daughter, who speaks no English but has US citizenship) will go to the States, attend two years of high school there and University. Not sure how she will do this with no English. I can't believe the parents wouldn't have had her attending English hagwons, since they have this plan. Odd.
More odd though--are you saying Koreans living in America prefer Toyotas? Now THAT would make for an interesting story. |
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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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kurva anjad wrote: |
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More odd though--are you saying Koreans living in America prefer Toyotas? Now THAT would make for an interesting story. |
Exactly. Yeah, that is the deal apparently. I had heard before that Koreans in America avoid Korean-made products. And when I did my masters and taught a significant number of Korean students, I remember them telling me they preferred to buy Japanese cars (while in America) because they thought Korean cars were not of good quality and that Japanese cars are so expensive in Korea, so it was a good chance for them to buy one.
Interesting side note: As part of the Korea-US FTA, the U.S. got Korea to agree to treat Toyota cars made in the U.S. as American cars. So, Japanese cars will be coming to Korea from the U.S. at the agreed upon reduced duties. (Another side-side note: This sets a precedent also and when Thailand makes an FTA with Korea, it should be able to send Chevrolets made in Thailand as Thai vehicles ! The same for GM cars made in China if there's a Chinese-Korean FTA. Smart move on the U.S. part.) |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have two kids in my year one homeroom class who are beneficiaries of this system. And while I don't blame the kids or the parents for taking advantage of this system, I can't help but notice the hypocrisy inherent as my son who was born here has not a hope in hell of being a Korean citizen. Not that I want him to be, he already stands to collect three passports as it is. |
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kalak
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Location: dublin
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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wow, three passports??? can that even be done? i should have two but when i turned 18 i was made choose which nationality i wanted. i chose irish. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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The Americans are far too soft. I remember speaking with a Korean mother whose two children were both born in the US. She said that the US was great for allowing people of many different races the advantages of citizenship and waxed lyrical about the fact that one only has to be born there to get citizenship. I asked whether Korea should go down a similar route. She said "No, Korea would be ruined by such a policy. Korea has a culture but the US doesn't." Frankly, that's what a lot of these people think. The US is great for the economic advantages they can extract from it and the prestige of having a US passport but little else. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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kurva anjad wrote: |
Not sure how she will do this with no English. I can't believe the parents wouldn't have had her attending English hagwons, since they have this plan. Odd. |
Do you see a correlation between what is taught at hagwon and the skills needed to succeed in high school or university in the US? |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't help but laugh at the car comments. Had a Chinese friend in the
States who could distinguish other Asians by the car they drove! "Chinese drive this type of car, Japanese drive that, Koreans drive those"...etc. I even think there's some truth to that! You'd be surprised as Japanese didn't drive Japanese cars, Koreans didn't use Korean cars...it was pretty funny. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
kurva anjad wrote: |
Not sure how she will do this with no English. I can't believe the parents wouldn't have had her attending English hagwons, since they have this plan. Odd. |
Do you see a correlation between what is taught at hagwon and the skills needed to succeed in high school or university in the US? |
No exactly, but there is a correlation between kids that go to hagwons and English ability. English is needed in high schools in America. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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kalak wrote: |
wow, three passports??? can that even be done? i should have two but when i turned 18 i was made choose which nationality i wanted. i chose irish. |
Until he is 18 he is legally entitled to three, Australian, British and Indonesian. After he reaches that age, he will have to choose between the first two or the latter. |
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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy wrote: |
The Americans are far too soft. I remember speaking with a Korean mother whose two children were both born in the US. She said that the US was great for allowing people of many different races the advantages of citizenship and waxed lyrical about the fact that one only has to be born there to get citizenship. I asked whether Korea should go down a similar route. She said "No, Korea would be ruined by such a policy. Korea has a culture but the US doesn't." Frankly, that's what a lot of these people think. The US is great for the economic advantages they can extract from it and the prestige of having a US passport but little else. |
Very well put.
I really, really don't see the sense of this "born in the USA" automatic citizenship now. Sure, in the past, it made sense; we had a wide open country to populate and there was no welfare, education, medical systems to milk. But now, . . enough already.
I hope immigration reform includes elimination of this giveaway. That alone would put a significant dent in the flow of illegal immigrants. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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jaganath69 wrote: |
I have two kids in my year one homeroom class who are beneficiaries of this system. And while I don't blame the kids or the parents for taking advantage of this system, I can't help but notice the hypocrisy inherent as my son who was born here has not a hope in hell of being a Korean citizen. Not that I want him to be, he already stands to collect three passports as it is. |
Where's the hypocrisy? Different nations have different laws regarding citizenship. It's hardly worth being bitter about. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy wrote: |
The Americans are far too soft. I remember speaking with a Korean mother whose two children were both born in the US. She said that the US was great for allowing people of many different races the advantages of citizenship and waxed lyrical about the fact that one only has to be born there to get citizenship. I asked whether Korea should go down a similar route. She said "No, Korea would be ruined by such a policy. Korea has a culture but the US doesn't." Frankly, that's what a lot of these people think. The US is great for the economic advantages they can extract from it and the prestige of having a US passport but little else. |
The Republic of the United States used to have an Anglo culture. It's lamentable that it's been pushed aside by vulgar pop cultures. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Roch wrote: |
Gwangjuboy wrote: |
The Americans are far too soft. I remember speaking with a Korean mother whose two children were both born in the US. She said that the US was great for allowing people of many different races the advantages of citizenship and waxed lyrical about the fact that one only has to be born there to get citizenship. I asked whether Korea should go down a similar route. She said "No, Korea would be ruined by such a policy. Korea has a culture but the US doesn't." Frankly, that's what a lot of these people think. The US is great for the economic advantages they can extract from it and the prestige of having a US passport but little else. |
The Republic of the United States used to have an Anglo culture. It's lamentable that it's been pushed aside by vulgar pop cultures. |
Vulgar pop cultures?? What does that mean exactly? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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You know you're desperate when you're going to the US for health care.
I've heard of this little thing before. It seems the main purpose is to get the kid foreign citizenship so they don't have to go to the army. |
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