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Koreans beat Americans in tests?
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demi



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Koreans beat Americans in tests? Reply with quote

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....high school kids are beaten on the international tests not just by kids from Belgium but by kids from MOST countries, even poorer ones like Poland, the Czech Republic, SOUTH KOREA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA


Here's a round up Laughing Nice to see UK riding high. Guess where America is Laughing Scroll down to page 5 and see for yourself.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/30/16/33683931.pdf
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans beat Americans in tests? Reply with quote

demi wrote:
Guess where America is Laughing Scroll down to page 5 and see for yourself.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/30/16/33683931.pdf


I could not understand the chart, so I will assume this is a setup, and that you are probably trying to commit a crime, or something devious.
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demi



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what couldn't you understand?
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares?
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you look at the high standard deviation of the US's scores. And now tell us what it means.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids from other countries do routinely beat us. There are several interesting reasons for that, and they have little to do with the quality of education being received. Mainly it is that US kids have no real reason to care about the test. A big reason for our poor scores is kids who literally don't bother to mark their test. ESL teachers in Korea see the same response when Korean kids realize that our classes won't help them pass their university exams.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demi wrote:
what couldn't you understand?


Dry humor, I think.
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aldershot



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought this thread was gonna be about HIV or other STDs...
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krats1976



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Kids from other countries do routinely beat us. There are several interesting reasons for that, and they have little to do with the quality of education being received. Mainly it is that US kids have no real reason to care about the test. A big reason for our poor scores is kids who literally don't bother to mark their test. ESL teachers in Korea see the same response when Korean kids realize that our classes won't help them pass their university exams.


RE: Korea... It might have something to do with the fact that Western education emphasizes critical thinking rather than rote memorization. When you are trained from the age of seven to take bubble tests, you're simply going to do better on them.
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Saxiif



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real question is WHICH Korean kids. Do you really think the Korean government would allow this sort of test to be given to a random assortment of Korean students?
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've heard that US teachers actually encourage bad students to take the tests, so that they will do poorly, so that they can hold the scores up as good reasons for getting more funding for education.
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dmbfan



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition, with 300,000,000 million people in the United States, it can be asked........."Where did the studies come from? Who was sampled? What age group?"


Yes, memorization vs critical thinking.

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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before you guyz go trotting out the ol' 'Americans are taught to think critically' battle horse, please look at this photograph:




For a nation of critical thinkers, it's funny those were our two best options, no?

Let's face it--Americans aren't that smart. Check out the TV show Are you smarter than a 5th grader? for evidence.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:

Let's face it--Americans aren't that smart. Check out the TV show Are you smarter than a 5th grader? for evidence.


Actually, the 5th graders usually get almost all of the questions right.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is news? Koreans are extremely smart, even if they have the individuality forced out of them. Americans are not so strongly encouraged to get high grades, and things like athletics and popularity get more effort. Hell, even in American schools Koreans and other Asians are usually the top of the class.
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