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4 months left

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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: Quebec = N.Korea of Canada / Shane Doan = Bank Robber |
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Simply ridiculous, wasting time in Parliament over this. Stupid frenchmen, (note:not all frenchmen are stupid, I have a lot french friends and have had french girlfriends but the half that want to seperate should move to North Korea)
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Hockey officials' impassioned defence of Team Canada's captain left an unimpressed Bloc Quebecois leader comparing Shane Doan to a bank robber and accusing him of racial profiling.
Doan, who is taking part in the world hockey championship in Russia, said he was simply complaining to teammate Curtis Joseph about the officiating that night, telling the netminder, "'Four French referees in Montreal, Cuje, figure it out.' boo freakin hoo
"I would have done the same thing if we were in Los Angeles and it was four officials from California," said Doan. "Or if we were in Calgary and it was four westerners."
CBC commentator Don Cherry has criticized a parliamentary committee for calling on Hockey Canada officials to explain why they named Shane Doan captain of the international hockey team.
Don Cherry believes government officials should leave Shane Doan, left, alone and concentrate on more important issues.
During Cherry's popular Coach's Corner segment of Hockey Night in Canada on Wednesday night, Cherry defended Doan regarding an alleged derogatory cultural remark made by the Phoenix Coyotes forward in a 2005 game against the Montreal Canadiens.
Doan has denied the allegation, and the NHL has cleared him of any trangression.
"Is this the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard?" asked Cherry. "With all the things going on in the world and we have a debate in the House [of Commons] because somebody said something. It's absolutely ridiculous."
Earlier Wednesday, Doan, who is taking part in the world hockey championship in Russia, said he was simply complaining to teammate Curtis Joseph about the officiating that night, telling the netminder, "'Four French referees in Montreal, Cuje, figure it out.'
"I would have done the same thing if we were in Los Angeles and it was four officials from California," said Doan. "Or if we were in Calgary and it was four westerners."
Cherry believes Doan's version of the story, and doesn't understand why government officials are using this as an issue.
"That's all he [Doan] said. He didn't say they were bad guys," continued Cherry. "It's unbelievable that something like that would go on."
BQ gets controversy rolling
Earlier this week, the Bloc Qu?b?cois received the support of all parties to demand Doan's removal as captain and summon Hockey Canada officials before a parliamentary committee on Thursday.
While Cherry isn't concerned with how the situation will affect Doan, he worries about NHL linesman Michel Cormier's reputation because of the upcoming hearing.
It was Cormier who made the allegation through court documents in March 2007 that Doan made a cultural slur during the second period nearly two years ago.
"Shane is going to be fine," concluded Cherry. "I think the victim in this thing is Michel Cormier. I can hear the players saying, 'That's the guy that squealed.' He's being used by some people to make a point. This guy will be remembered for this forever." |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Quebec = N.Korea of Canada / Shane Doan = Bank Robber |
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| Simply ridiculous, wasting time in Parliament over this. Stupid frenchmen, (note:not all frenchmen are stupid, I have a lot french friends and have had french girlfriends but the half that want to seperate should move to North Korea) |
Hmm, hmm...Sorry to burst your bubble, but half of French Canadians aren't Quebec separatists (Frenchmen live in France, by the way). Not all Quebecers are French Canadians, you know. Heck, 15% of French Canadians (I prefer 'francophones') don't even reside in Quebec. |
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Referees can be such nerds sometimes.
This actually makes the Bloq Quebecois look bad.
What do separatists care about Team Canada? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
Not all Quebecers are French. A vote for separation/separatist is sometimes more about protecting their own interests than anything else. For some, it was all about giving the one fingered salute to guys like you. |
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4 months left

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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
Not all Quebecers are French. A vote for separation/separatist is sometimes more about protecting their own interests than anything else. For some, it was all about giving the one fingered salute to guys like you. |
I never said all Quebecers are French. I never had a problem with them, they separtists are the ones who had a problem with the English. You just get to a point when you just had enough and the negative influence they bring on the country. I don't think many Canadians have a problem now if they want to seperate now. Insecurity and blaming the English for all their problems is why they give the one finger salute to guys like me. In a way they are similar to those Koreans who blame foreigners for anything bad that happens. |
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dog_disco

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think many Canadians have a problem now if they want to seperate now. |
...Wow. I think you are so wrong about this. I think if the Separatists muster the political will to hold another referendum Canada is in a huge amount of trouble. Remember in '95: they came within 1.5% of breaking the country.
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In a way they are similar to those Koreans who blame foreigners for anything bad that happens.
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...Every Korean I have ever met has blamed themself or other Koreans for anything bad that's happened. Unless it's the Japanese for the occupation. Or the shenanigans of American military personnel off-hours (brawling, lawlessness, etc) |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't there a couple of islands off the coast those franks can move to, if they really want to separate?
cbc |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Man, I hate Quebec. When will Canada stop supporting that craphole?
P.S. so how many referendums have the seperatists lost by now? Shouldnt they atleast be required to win more referendums than they lose? And why doesnt a lost referendum mean the case is shut? Why should they be allowed to keep trying? But, if they do win and do try to separate, I hope Canada has the balls to give them nothing but the smallest strip of land. Not a chance in hell do they deserve to get all of the current lands they hold. If necessary send in the troops. |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: clarification |
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Jinju, you'ce expressed yourself very rudely and seem not to know what you're complaining about. I'm from Quebec and I certainly don't think it's a craphole. Most people who visit Montreal, Quebec City and the Laurentians like it very much.
To answer your question, there's been a grand total of two referendums on Quebec sovereignty in the last twenty-seven years and the separatists lost both times. In the last Quebec provincial election (a month or two ago) the separatist Parti Quebecois came in third place. I don't think they've won the popular vote in about 12 years. The vast majority of Quebecers, English-speaking and French-speaking, don't want another referendum. What makes you think the issue isn't shut? What makes you think "they" are keeping on trying? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: clarification |
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| Jinju, you'ce expressed yourself very rudely and seem not to know what you're complaining about. I'm from Quebec and I certainly don't think it's a craphole. |
I do. See, my sentiments are not all that uncommon. It comes from seeing our money, mostly Ontario's and Westen Canada's, going to support your province that couldnt survive on its own without us. We support your dying industries, we put money into your little cultural treasures, we pay for your special society or whetver the hell you call it. Basically our money is going to prop up your linguistic fascism, your xenophobia and hate on for the rest of the country, and you guys turn around and give us the finger in the form of referendi on sovereignty. My sentiments are not out of the ordinary.
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| Most people who visit Montreal, Quebec City and the Laurentians like it very much. |
I didn't. Montreal is basically a faux-European city centre and a decrepid, crumbling city outside the center. Quebec City is the same except it really shouldnt be called a city. Town, yes. City, no. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
Frenchmen? There is a country called France and people from there are Frenchmen. It is like saying people from Ontario are Englishmen. You sound like some of the radical "separatistes" that you are supposed to be against. I think some of the radicals wish the Anglophones of la belle ville de Montreal would pack up and leave. Your comments are hateful towards all French Canadians whether from Manitoba, Sudbury, or New Brunswick, because you use the word Frenchman to foist your prejudice. It is pretty low, I must say.
One reason separatism exists is because of prejudice against French speakers in the past. Manitoba's French speakers were forced to speak English. It used to be a bi-lingual province. In Ontario, in 1910, there was Regulation 17 which was heavily discriminatory. Montreal's English speaking elite controlled the city too much. I definitely feel sick when I hear the Bloc Quebecois talk on and on about nationalism, and the focus should be on building the economy and creating jobs, not separatism.
It is an old, broken record for many also living in Quebec. You don't watch the news. The Bloc Quebecois have lost many seats, so stop sounding as closed-minded as the separatists. |
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
Frenchmen? There is a country called France and people from there are Frenchmen. It is like saying people from Ontario are Englishmen. You sound like some of the radical "separatistes" that you are supposed to be against. I think some of the radicals wish the Anglophones of la belle ville de Montreal would pack up and leave. Your comments are hateful towards all French Canadians whether from Manitoba, Sudbury, or New Brunswick, because you use the word Frenchman to foist your prejudice. It is pretty low, I must say.
One reason separatism exists is because of prejudice against French speakers in the past. Manitoba's French speakers were forced to speak English. It used to be a bi-lingual province. In Ontario, in 1910, there was Regulation 17 which was heavily discriminatory. Montreal's English speaking elite controlled the city too much. I definitely feel sick when I hear the Bloc Quebecois talk on and on about nationalism, and the focus should be on building the economy and creating jobs, not separatism.
It is an old, broken record for many also living in Quebec. You don't watch the news. The Bloc Quebecois have lost many seats, so stop sounding as closed-minded as the separatists. |
No they are not hateful to all french Cnds, only the idiots radicals. Many french hate the radical frenchmen also. Like I said originally not all frenchmen are stupid. I grew up on the border of ont/que and had good and bad experiences with the french. I have a lot of friends who are french.
I was watching the Sens game on the net and Pierre Lebrun (do you think he is french??) said Montreal would likely go after Daniel Briere because he is a frenchman. He is a racist because he used "frenchman??" Give me a freaking break. Oh, don't say frenchman, that is so bad, bunch of soft, whining babies. I don't care about political correctness, there is too much in Canada, I don't care if I hurt you or other people's feelings. I get pissed off when radical idiots try to screw up my country. |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| They are frenchmen, to hell with political correctness. Half in Quebec, could you not realize who I was talking about? I wish they would pack up and move to France with the other frenchmen but France doesn't want them either. |
Frenchmen? There is a country called France and people from there are Frenchmen. It is like saying people from Ontario are Englishmen. You sound like some of the radical "separatistes" that you are supposed to be against. I think some of the radicals wish the Anglophones of la belle ville de Montreal would pack up and leave. Your comments are hateful towards all French Canadians whether from Manitoba, Sudbury, or New Brunswick, because you use the word Frenchman to foist your prejudice. It is pretty low, I must say.
One reason separatism exists is because of prejudice against French speakers in the past. Manitoba's French speakers were forced to speak English. It used to be a bi-lingual province. In Ontario, in 1910, there was Regulation 17 which was heavily discriminatory. Montreal's English speaking elite controlled the city too much. I definitely feel sick when I hear the Bloc Quebecois talk on and on about nationalism, and the focus should be on building the economy and creating jobs, not separatism.
It is an old, broken record for many also living in Quebec. You don't watch the news. The Bloc Quebecois have lost many seats, so stop sounding as closed-minded as the separatists. |
No they are not hateful to all french Cnds, only the idiots radicals. Many french hate the radical frenchmen also. Like I said originally not all frenchmen are stupid. I grew up on the border of ont/que and had good and bad experiences with the french. I have a lot of friends who are french.
I was watching the Sens game on the net and Pierre Lebrun (do you think he is french??) said Montreal would likely go after Daniel Briere because he is a frenchman. He is a racist because he used "frenchman??" Give me a freaking break. Oh, don't say frenchman, that is so bad, bunch of soft, whining babies. I don't care about political correctness, there is too much in Canada, I don't care if I hurt you or other people's feelings. I get pissed off when radical idiots try to screw up my country. |
There are people in English Canada who are hateful towards French Canadians. I even heard it here in Korea. A fellow at a Canadian bar kept insulting hockey players who were French Canadians. I kind of said something to him but not in a loud voice. I didn't want to start a bar fight, and I think I was the only who called Quebec home (though Ontario is as well by birth) there at the time. The fellow was very loud about his prejudiced ideas.
Did any of the other fellows say anything to him except myself? No, not at all. I have also heard plenty of people saying bad stuff about French Canadians, so I don't really buy that. Maybe you don't feel the way. You may not care about political correctness, but French Canadians don't call themselves Frenchmen. So it is actually being ethnically correct. People from France are Frenchmen, they have a very different culture. I make the distinction between Franco-Canadians, and Frenchman, because I am clearly indicating that they are Canadians and not Europeans. Using the word Frenchman is kind of outdated. It might have applied more in an older time when the separation from France wasn't so long ago. I wasn't going to risk it. I think you were underplaying the backwardness of some Anglo-Canadians and overplaying that of English-Canadians in some provinces. Again, I can't stand the Bloc Quebecois and argued with plenty of them in French, and one of my good friends was a separatiste who argued with me trying to convince me of Sovereignty. I said "Non". |
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well there are idiots everywhere and someone who hates all Quebecers or French people is just a racist. If I would have been there I would have said something to that guy. I played competitive hockey when I was young and once the team in the level below me had to be escorted out of a rink in Quebec by the police because the parents were so crazy so it goes both ways. I think the hatefulness comes from these kinds of incidents.
I think you are giving too much significance to the term frenchman. It used widely and like I gave in my example there was a "french guy" calling Briere a "frenchman."
If the seperatists want their autonomy and to be associated with France, shouldn't they be called frenchmen?? |
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