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Japanese actions WW2 and the questions it raises.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Japanese actions WW2 and the questions it raises. Reply with quote

I have spare time, so I was looking at historical incidents.

This one raises a number of questions in my mind.

http://www.battlingbastardsbataan.com/som.htm

One of which is why the Koreans seem to still have a hatred, when other countries have also suffered so much and yet don't seem to have the same nationalistic hatred.

I guess I will really never know as it probably is a combination of things, but some of these incidents really paint some of Japans recent statements in a bad light.

You have to give it to the philipines, they still can smile and laugh even though their history would give them the right not too.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave an assignment to two Senior (4th year) University writing classes that I taught a year or so ago. The task was to interview a family member that remembered the Japanese occupation or the Korean war. I got som rather incredible material.

The one that stands out in my mind was a students grandmother who got married at age 15. It was a choice of getting married or being taken as a comfort women (Jap army prostitute). She told of a hardscrabble life mostly hiding in the mountains and darn near starving to death. This not the sort of things that makes Japan lived in Korea.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I can see that. Its just that Manila went through one of the worst attrocities of the Asian War and yet you hardly hear about it. Here I hear 6 year olds tell me they hate Japan and America, they had to learn it somewhere I guess.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
Yes, I can see that. Its just that Manila went through one of the worst attrocities of the Asian War and yet you hardly hear about it. Here I hear 6 year olds tell me they hate Japan and America, they had to learn it somewhere I guess.


The Phlippines' economy would tank wothout the Japanese. Rest assured, if they didnt depend on the Japanese for money and investments they would be just as outraged. Basically, they are too poor to rock the boat so they dont.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Philippines has the same problem regarding the US too, as they were invaded and occupied about a century ago. Not a good place to be in.

Korea is probably more bitter toward Japan because they're neighbours. I'd have to say China is far more anti-Japanese than Korea is though.


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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

contrarian wrote:
This not the sort of things that makes Japan lived in Korea.


Huh?
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Phlippines' economy would tank wothout the Japanese. Rest assured, if they didnt depend on the Japanese for money and investments they would be just as outraged. Basically, they are too poor to rock the boat so they dont.


Not sure how much truth is in that statement. They just don't seem to have spent the last 50 years regurgitating hatred for the japanese. Other countries seem to be rather hazy on other nations histories, but many states had people who suffered.

Look at the cannibalism that Japanese forces carried out on US prisoners and ask yourself why don't the Americans burn with hatred today. Look at the Baatan death march, the murder of Australian civilians, we all have reason to hate the Japs, though we don't seem to burn with the same passion to look down on the Japanese and continue to teach hatred of japanese.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
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The Phlippines' economy would tank wothout the Japanese. Rest assured, if they didnt depend on the Japanese for money and investments they would be just as outraged. Basically, they are too poor to rock the boat so they dont.


Not sure how much truth is in that statement. They just don't seem to have spent the last 50 years regurgitating hatred for the japanese. Other countries seem to be rather hazy on other nations histories, but many states had people who suffered.

Look at the cannibalism that Japanese forces carried out on US prisoners and ask yourself why don't the Americans burn with hatred today. Look at the Baatan death march, the murder of Australian civilians, we all have reason to hate the Japs, though we don't seem to burn with the same passion to look down on the Japanese and continue to teach hatred of japanese.


Americans probbaly dont because they had the cathartic experience of beating the Japanese. Dropping a nuke on your enemy does that. The Phillipinos are just too dependednt on Japan, too poor to be PUBLICALLY outraged.
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:

Look at the cannibalism that Japanese forces carried out on US prisoners and ask yourself why don't the Americans burn with hatred today. Look at the Baatan death march, the murder of Australian civilians, we all have reason to hate the Japs, though we don't seem to burn with the same passion to look down on the Japanese and continue to teach hatred of japanese.


You should hear my Granddad talk about the Japanese. He lost two brothers in Changi after the fall of Singapore, and while age has mellowed him quite a lot he's not too fond of them. There was also a noticeable anti-Japanese sentiment running in Australia up until the late 80s.

Again, "we" won the war, while Korean history is littered with battles and Japanese invasions, the last member of the royal family was assasinated and even a vague understanding of Japanese colonialism would be enough to set off a kid with a black and white worldview.

The poms still hate the Germans, and the Irish still hate the poms. If you have a traditional enemy at a national level, especially with a neighbouring country it'll take a while for it to fade away.
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sumfunu



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Japanese actions WW2 and the questions it raises..... Reply with quote

I am back in Canada after 8great years in Korea and agree that Koreans have good reason for their collective hard-on for Japan. Having said that, one thing that always pissed me off and gave me a chuckle was when Koreans would say " Japanese very kindly, but cunning,very cunning". Give me a freakin' break. IMHO there is very,very little that a Japanese could ever teach a Korean about being " cunning " ( on both a national and a personal level ).
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
The Philippines has the same problem regarding the US too, as they were invaded and occupied about a century ago. Not a good place to be in.

Korea is probably more bitter toward Japan because they're neighbours. I'd have to say China is far more anti-Japanese than Korea is though.


True.

I'm in China now, and everywhere I go is 'kill the Japanese' or 'Japanese devil this' or 'Japanese devil that'.

Funny, I just made a post about this very topic not 30 minutes ago on the China Off-Topic forums.
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Gamecock



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Phlippines' economy would tank wothout the Japanese. Rest assured, if they didnt depend on the Japanese for money and investments they would be just as outraged. Basically, they are too poor to rock the boat so they dont.


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The Philippines has the same problem regarding the US too, as they were invaded and occupied about a century ago. Not a good place to be in.


As if the Philippines' economy isn't already tanked, I'm not sure I understand the latter comment. Is Racetraitor comparing the U.S. military presence in the Phils to Japanese occupation??? Funny, most Filipinos don't see it that way...My grandfather fought in the Philippines under Macarthur. When I mentioned this in the Philippines I was treated like a VIP... Oh, and my grandfather hated everything Japanese until the day he died. He said that with what he saw during WW2, he would never, ever trust the Japs.

In regards to how the Philippines has dealt with the Japanese occupation compared to Korea, I think it is simply the difference in cultures. Filipinos are a proud people, but laid back. They aren't obsessed with what others think about them. They smile and laugh in the face of hard times instead of jumping off a roof or setting themselves on fire. Perhaps the pervasive influence of Catholicism has made them more forgiving...I don't know. A historical difference might have been the continued resistance by Filipino guerrillas throughout their occupation. When the Japanese were defeated in their homeland, their fighters had a participatory role in the victory, unlike Korea.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A historical difference might have been the continued resistance by Filipino guerrillas throughout their occupation. When the Japanese were defeated in their homeland, their fighters had a participatory role in the victory, unlike Korea.


Thats an interesting point to make. Maybe the countries that had less to do with saving themselves from the Japanese feel the most impotent and therefore continue the hatred so as to restore thier pride.
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swetepete



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see a few reasons for the lingering hate, most of which have already been mentioned here, but to recap--
1) The Japanese were here for 35 years, which is a lot longer than they were in any other part of Asia.
2) The Koreans fought very little, and no doubt there's some collective blueballs from not being able to shoot despite having a very long hate-on. Blueballs hurt. The guerrilla actions done by Koreans were mostly in China, and they weren't very successful, and they were usually done under Chinese command.
3) Korea got royally screwed and bifurcated and napalmed after WW2, while Japan did very well, very quickly.
4) The textbook issue is very recent.
5) The failure to apologize and pay off the surviving comfort women is very much a current issue.
6) Japanese culture is much more influential and respected in the west than is Korean culture. This might add to some of the frustrations.
7) Dokdo/ Takeshima...the kids here eat that stuff for breakfast.

Sad stuff. Some perfectly valid reasons to be pissed. The standard party line here is invariably antagonistic towards Japan, albeit in an impotent, unfocussed way. I don't see any of this as particularly likely to change.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Philippines has the same problem regarding the US too, as they were invaded and occupied about a century ago. Not a good place to be in.


The Philippines were administered by the US from 1898-1946.The US was in the middle of a process of granting full independence when the Japanese invaded.


Why don't the Koreans harbor the same hatred for the Chinese? The Chinese have done just as much to the Koreans.
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