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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: 60 days notice with a public school..............question. |
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If a teacher (me) puts in his 60 days notice, does the school have to honor that? Or, can they shite-can the teacher immediately? What is the story on that?
I would try and find out myself, but I don't have much time at the moment.
Anyone know?
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Is that what is stated in your contract? Normally 30 days suffices.
Yes, they can "can" you immediately but it legally isn't "fired". They are just sending you home with pay. They must honour it as per the contract.
They still have to pay you for the period up to the end of 60 days and fulfill all their other obligations, minus those specifically and legally stated in the contract against said "giving of notice" (for example repayment of airfare and other obligations that must/might have to be fulfilled).
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking of getting out of that bad situtation you're in? I would too.
Yeah, if the contract says sixty days, they have to give you sixty days. If they don't, take them to the Labor Board.
Give them notice in writing with a dated, signed letter. I don't know if this is legal in Korea, but I'd also consider having a voice recorder with me (many digital camera have this function) so they can't deny receiving the letter in the future. |
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JD1982
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well, in the contract it says that I have to give 60 days notice........but, I don't think they are going to go through with that.......something phishy is going on here.......................
And, yesterday they accepted my resignation, but wanted to me to state it for "Personal Affairs"...........not because they have failed to do what they the contract say..........provide a co-teacher............
So, a 60 days notice on my part requires them to let me finish it out, is that correct?
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| dmbfan wrote: |
Well, in the contract it says that I have to give 60 days notice........but, I don't think they are going to go through with that.......something phishy is going on here.......................
And, yesterday they accepted my resignation, but wanted to me to state it for "Personal Affairs"...........not because they have failed to do what they the contract say..........provide a co-teacher............
So, a 60 days notice on my part requires them to let me finish it out, is that correct?
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Send it certified mail. They have to honor it, or they have to fire you; and then they have to give notice anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't say that I was quiting for "Personal Affairs". That just means you are placing fault for your leaving purely on yourself. They are only asking you to do that so that they don't get any heat for not fulfilling the contract. But, if you don't do as they ask, they may try to make problems for you (accusing you of not fulfilling the contract, of being "bad foreign teacher"). Anyway, if it was me, I wouldn't be doing them any favours considering what they've put you through.
If you want to write a letter to the principal, and you don't want it "interpretated" by someone who is going to color the situation in their favour, pm it to me and I'll have it translated for you. Just make it concise.
Best of luck. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Send it certified mail. They have to honor it, or they have to fire you; and then they have to give notice anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't say that I was quiting for "Personal Affairs". That just means you are placing fault for your leaving purely on yourself. They are only asking you to do that so that they don't get any heat for not fulfilling the contract. But, if you don't do as they ask, they may try to make problems for you (accusing you of not fulfilling the contract, of being "bad foreign teacher"). Anyway, if it was me, I wouldn't be doing them any favours considering what they've put you through.
If you want to write a letter to the principal, and you don't want it "interpretated" by someone who is going to color the situation in their favour, pm it to me and I'll have it translated for you. Just make it concise.
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Thanks, I appreciate that. Keep a watch out on your PM box.
Certified mail, eh?
Yep, if I don't do what they ask, they will definately try to phuck me.
Or, I could just do nothing, and make them fire me...........or retract my resingation, and see what they do.
I think I'll just stick with my original resignation, the one they rejected (write after they did the old schedule switch, and me not actually teaching anymore, so they can say that I've only been an assistant teacher and the problems that I mentioned don't exist because of that), and also hand in the sheet they want........but, re-type it and change the reason saying "As per attachment"................and number the pages 1-5, etc.
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JohnTeacher
Joined: 10 Mar 2007
Location: Ansan-Si, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Late last year I gave well over the 60 days notice....just so they couldn't say I was being unreasonable. No problems with the school. We both had some animosity towards each other, but in typical Korean fashion, said out "Goodbye's" civilly. It's the best way...'cos they aren't bound in conversations between employers here by the same "Don't say anything bad." (things we can be sued for)attitude many employers back in NA would be worried about."
It worked! Due to the fact I had handled it so rationally and with discretion...I was recommended by Suwon for a job at one of the best high schools in the province.
(Sort of a "Don't make waves and you live to sail on a better ship." kind o' thing.)
I know it's tempting to vent on a bad situation (REALLY TEMPTING) but in the end it's sort of like shooting yourself in the foot. Why make yourself suffer just because the school did? |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Hi,
Late last year I gave well over the 60 days notice....just so they couldn't say I was being unreasonable. No problems with the school. We both had some animosity towards each other, but in typical Korean fashion, said out "Goodbye's" civilly. It's the best way...'cos they aren't bound in conversations between employers here by the same "Don't say anything bad." (things we can be sued for)attitude many employers back in NA would be worried about."
It worked! Due to the fact I had handled it so rationally and with discretion...I was recommended by Suwon for a job at one of the best high schools in the province.
(Sort of a "Don't make waves and you live to sail on a better ship." kind o' thing.)
I know it's tempting to vent on a bad situation (REALLY TEMPTING) but in the end it's sort of like shooting yourself |
in the foot. Why make yourself suffer just because the school did?
...well..........from my experiences, the only time a Korean is not lying is when his/her mouth is not moving. I don't trust Koreans. Public school, hogwan, univeristy...whatever. I don't trust them.
As one of my posts stated, I am not out for blood. I just don't want to get phucked in this because they did not honor the contract to begin with, and now are trying to cover it up. Fine, ok. I just want some transparency from them.
Think about it...........my 60 day notice will end on July 7. July 20 is the last day of the semestery here. Then, it is holiday schedule and vacation time. Then, I would only have month and a half more of bullshite. So, I can't honeslty imagine them waiting for 60 days. If they do that, they might as well just disregard everything.
But, what has been happening since the policy change, is that the Korean teachers have been ATTEMPTING to teach the classes (and it is humorous, let me tell you. These people are awful...not just because they can't speak English, but mainly because they just can't teach) have not been involving me in anything. So, I sit there and read my book. There are a couple, but that is it.
Another thing that pisses me off is that a couple K-teachers reported that I was making students clean my classes, and doing nothing but watching videos. I had one class clean my room, one time (it took 10 minutes). They are respsonsible for the mess, and I am not their cleaner. Apparently, the k-teacher was not quite honest in what she reported (imagine that). I made this known to the principle, but once again, nobody will acknowledge it.
With the videos, there were two reasons.
1. I used the Wylie Coyote toons to teach past/present tenses. Easy, fun and quick.
2. I reward good behavior. Good classes that worked hard, get a video day at one point.
Once again, the K-teachers were not quite honest with their reports. AND......I told my counter-part that he should have come to me and talked to me about this, instead of using it as amunition. I pointed this out to him and the principle..........nobody will acknowledge it.
Oh, and then they got petty. They don't understand why I ask about yesterday, today and tomorrow. I use it as a warm up, and it helps start a foundation for the tenses........................I explained this a long time ago..no problems then. But now, it is wrong, and apparently it is bad and useless.
I hate these phucking people.
Dammit, now I'mall worked up again..
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