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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Accent (grumble grumble)... Reply with quote

Ok I'm an aussie..

But I am so sick of these accent comments from my students. Back home I have practically for all intensive purposes turned into an American or at least they ask me 'where is your accent from?.

I do not have a stong accent at all, but it is there. No Canadians have trouble understanding me.

I agree that the vocabulary differences are a pain but my students know about that and do extremely well communicating with me, as well as they would with an American I am sure, although there is no way to verify this.

Then they turn it around on me as if it is a problem to be 'fixed' in the classroom!!

The funniest part is the Koreans complain to the school about this the week before they turn around and go on a year long study trip to Australia!

I can just see them when they arrive patiently explaining to people why this sweet thing is a 'candy' not a 'lollie'. Rolling Eyes

Any thoughts?
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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are they going? I had some students who went to Australia and spent their whole time there in Campbelltown, Sydney. Poor blighters. However I lost sympathy for them when I asked them if they tried Australian food (me having mouth-watering flashbacks) and received a chorus of disgruntled and disgusted noises, with comments that they ate Korean food most of the time, of course. It didn't occur to them that as an honorary Australian (Kiwi Aussie) I would find this the least bit offensive.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most girls back home (in America) love Australian accents. Consider yourself lucky.
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Alan Partidge



Joined: 29 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean. I'm a Kiwi and a lot of us tend to mumble, so with that and the accent it can be hard for them. I just try not to mumble.

They need to realise that there are more accents out there than the various Nth American ones. The TOEIC test now has different accents in the listening section.

I refuse to put on an accent and I cringe when I hear others doing it.

The market here is geared more to Nth American accents and all the spelling seems to be the same.

The vocab thing is funny too. I have to change it when I talk to other teachers, let alone students.

I wouldn't worry too much about it all. You could try making your Aussie accent a little more neutral.
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blondebecky



Joined: 22 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shantaram wrote:
Where are they going? I had some students who went to Australia and spent their whole time there in Campbelltown, Sydney. Poor blighters. However I lost sympathy for them when I asked them if they tried Australian food (me having mouth-watering flashbacks) and received a chorus of disgruntled and disgusted noises, with comments that they ate Korean food most of the time, of course. It didn't occur to them that as an honorary Australian (Kiwi Aussie) I would find this the least bit offensive.


Sorry, I don't want to be too picky but Campbelltown is DEFINITELY not a suburb of Sydney. It's part of what we (former) Sydneysiders refer to as "out west", which encompasses anything further west than Strathfield, particularly for an eastern suburbs girl like me Very Happy
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
I know what you mean. I'm a Kiwi and a lot of us tend to mumble, so with that and the accent it can be hard for them. I just try not to mumble.

They need to realise that there are more accents out there than the various Nth American ones. The TOEIC test now has different accents in the listening section.

I refuse to put on an accent and I cringe when I hear others doing it.

The market here is geared more to Nth American accents and all the spelling seems to be the same.

The vocab thing is funny too. I have to change it when I talk to other teachers, let alone students.

I wouldn't worry too much about it all. You could try making your Aussie accent a little more neutral.


An Alan Partridge accent would be quite funny, though. Perhaps you could even try imitating the Geordie Laughing
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an easier time understanding Japanese and Korean than Brits and Aussies. Not a crack but just the truth for me. I had a British friend in Japan by the name of Chris, but I had the hardest time understanding him with his strong British accent. I met some Aussies with a strong accent and had a hard time understanding'em. "Excuse me but I gotta hit the 'loo."

Study and practice mid-west American accent. It's the "proper" pronunciation! I charge 30,000 an hour if ya need help. Wink
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Alan Partidge



Joined: 29 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's sad kimchi_pizza.

I was watching an American TV show the other day and they had subtitles for a British guy on the show.

I also heard that Mad Max had to be dubbed in the US.
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
That's sad kimchi_pizza.

I was watching an American TV show the other day and they had subtitles for a British guy on the show.

I also heard that Mad Max had to be dubbed in the US.


It is! I've studied Japanese and Korean and have been complimented on having a "good ear" and picking up proper pronunciations, but for the life of me....other English accents? Forgetaboutit. It is rather odd and can't help but laugh about it and scratch my head.
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shantaram



Joined: 10 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, I don't want to be too picky but Campbelltown is DEFINITELY not a suburb of Sydney. It's part of what we (former) Sydneysiders refer to as "out west", which encompasses anything further west than Strathfield, particularly for an eastern suburbs girl like me


It is part of the metropolitan area. But let's not fight about it. Next time I want to evict Frankston from Greater Melbourne you might collude with me.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Accent (grumble grumble)... Reply with quote

Michelle wrote:
But I am so sick of these accent comments from my students. Back home I have practically for all intensive purposes turned into an American or at least they ask me 'where is your accent from?.

<snippety snip>


Any thoughts?


Maybe it's your intensive purposes that are the problem! Laughing
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jlaskie



Joined: 19 May 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i say if someone is paying you to do a job...you do it the way they want it to be done, regardless of your personal opinion on the matter.

if the koreans favor north american accents, so be it. if you're going to teach a standard form of the language...considering the population of native english speakers in the us and canada is around 234 million, and the native english speaking population is around 77 million in the uk and australia/nz combined...i think the choice is obvious.

take your money, suck it up, and give them what they want.
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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Nice 'rort' Kimchi_Pizza! Reply with quote

Hey Kimchi Pizza!


Nice 'rort! If you don't know what that is maybe I can teach YOU!

I only change 100,000W an hour! Twisted Evil

I expect your PM.


Michelle
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Alan Partidge



Joined: 29 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jlaskie, what an offensive idea.

If a school hires a non-Nth American they should now what they're in for.

Some people need to take their head out of their a*se.

When I said that it was sad that a previous poster couldn't understand Aussies and Brits, I did mean sad.

Yes the market here obviously favours Nth Am. speakers, but plenty of schools don't have a problem with other accents and believe that they're giving their students a better education by exposing them to those other accents.
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jlaskie



Joined: 19 May 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
Jlaskie, what an offensive idea.

If a school hires a non-Nth American they should now what they're in for.

Some people need to take their head out of their a*se.

When I said that it was sad that a previous poster couldn't understand Aussies and Brits, I did mean sad.

Yes the market here obviously favours Nth Am. speakers, but plenty of schools don't have a problem with other accents and believe that they're giving their students a better education by exposing them to those other accents.




oh, don't be so sensitive. this esl thing, if you haven't noticed, is a business. perhaps the employer didn't anticipate an accent being a problem, but if the parents of students complain, they have no choice but to comply. in general, i usually have no problem understanding aussies or brits (except for maybe extreme cockney english, which i've only really encountered when i was living in london for a while), and i actually agree that exposing students to different kinds of accents can be beneficial.

but it all comes down to where the money comes from...and if that source wants things a certain way, for christ's sake just give it to them. if you don't like it, find one of those schools that "don't have a problem with other accents and believe that they're giving their students a better education by exposing them to those other accents." it is not the place of the employee to tell the employer how things SHOULD be done. make a suggestion, sure, but if it's not accepted...roll with it or leave.
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