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Korea...will it ever go through a hippy/hipster/ phase?
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Korea...will it ever go through a hippy/hipster/ phase? Reply with quote

So, this is utterly subjective, but I find Korea to be a fairly boring place. Reading up on the urban history, I feel like I've...missed something, namely the 90's, when the country was just coming out of a dictatorship and rushing towards prosperity.

I've arrived here at the exact moment that Korea has pretty much attained that prosperity and things have settled into a kind of materialistic, social, and sexual plateau reminiscent of America in the 40's/50's.

So, if Korea/Seoul today is reminiscent of America in the 40's/50's...will it ever go through a 60's, where, en masse, the populace begins to question their ways?

Also, if they do, will it be a cultural revolution that is mostly positive a'la America or cynical and negative a'la Japan?

P.s.
Maybe this should be a poll, but I didn't want to give limited options seeing as this is an aesthetic question.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree that the 'cultural revolutions' in Japan and America were negative and positive. Weren't they each kind of mixed?
I fully agree that a self-questioning period for any culture is a good thing--in fact, I figure that period should never stop. But all too often, I think you'd agree, the answers people come up with aren't intrinsically better than the original state of affairs that invited the questioning.
Interesting post. BTW, what do you figure the positive aspects of the 1960's cultural shift in the US were, and what do you think were the negative aspects of the Japanese one? I have some opinions I'd be happy to blather on about but I have to go back to work now.
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swetepete wrote:
I don't agree that the 'cultural revolutions' in Japan and America were negative and positive. Weren't they each kind of mixed?
I fully agree that a self-questioning period for any culture is a good thing--in fact, I figure that period should never stop. But all too often, I think you'd agree, the answers people come up with aren't intrinsically better than the original state of affairs that invited the questioning.
Interesting post. BTW, what do you figure the positive aspects of the 1960's cultural shift in the US were, and what do you think were the negative aspects of the Japanese one? I have some opinions I'd be happy to blather on about but I have to go back to work now.


Well, I think the American cultural shift was *on the whole* more positive because of it's focus on togetherness, sexual freedom, racial equality and...well...good f'in music. The downside were drugs beyond pot and acid, and the eventual take-over by the darker, fringe elements like the Hell's Angels. Also, I think it was more positive because of it's beginning and ending; it began with an actual *cause*--an unjust war and a civil rights movement. It ended with many of the better facets still permeating American culture; environmentalism, skepticism of government, etc.

However, the recent Japanese cultural revolution, while focusing on the same subjects, really (sex, mistrust of corporations and authority, women's equality, art) it was born out of tragedy, i.e., the massive financial collapse in the late 80's, early '90s. So, the generation we see in Japan now are doing what the hippies did, but much in a "rebel without a cause" fashion. They saw that the Japanese corporation, as God-like as they were, were just as fallible as anything else; and a salaryman could work and toil all of his life, and with one bad economic turn, it amounted to squat.

The general impression I get of Japan's youth scene is "why bother". Their birth-rates are declining rapidly, they're obsessed with their childhoods, and the unemployment rate is fairly staggering.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there are ever hippies in Korea, they'll find enough skinheads here already waiting to send them back to fairy dust land.
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swetepete



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kinda like hippies, sometimes. They can be fun. I hope they do become popular here. It'd be way cooler than another five years of half-wit hip-hop posers.
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swetepete wrote:
I kinda like hippies, sometimes. They can be fun. I hope they do become popular here. It'd be way cooler than another five years of half-wit hip-hop posers.


And maybe, finally, some drugs.

BTW, anyone know what ma huang (mormon tea) is called in Korean? For my asthma of course.
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Ody



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hippies, skinheads - i see much similarity between the two; the main thing being a counter-cultural mentality.

if you think Korea has none of this, you're not looking hard enough. they're both alive and well here in the Indy scenes.


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Ody



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post, sorta.
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Brady



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they had an LSD/marijuana generation they could finally get some decent music.
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PimpofKorea



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
If there are ever hippies in Korea, they'll find enough skinheads here already waiting to send them back to fairy dust land.


Skinheads...hippies...whats the difference??? They're just on opposite sides heading towards the same destiny...a McJob at age 35.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, they won't.
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
No, they won't.


Care to make it interesting and actual explain?
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If things keep going downhill then in about 20 years they're going to wonder what happened to all of the straight Korean men. Rolling Eyes
Is that a "cultural revolution"?
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Oreovictim



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, Korea will get out of the '50s mindset, but the people won't get all hippy-fied. You know how they will change? From the band Rush. You see, there are a lot of Canadians over here, and it's a fact that Canadians listen to Rush. Rush always talks about self-awareness in their songs. All you need are a bunch of Canadians spreading the music of that cerebral prog rock band to the East.

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twg



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ody wrote:
hippies, skinheads - i see much similarity between the two; the main thing being a counter-cultural mentality.

I see two groups who've had their identities sold to them by TV while refusing to acknowledge the fact.

"I'm so rebellious! And what better way to show that than to do the same thing my friends are!"

Or, maybe these days, I should say: "... by doing the same thing my dad did in the 70s"?

Regardless, all these youth movements are nothing more than marketing. Every bit as manufactured as a Korean boy band.
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