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		| Yu_Bum_suk 
 
  
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		| pest2 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Watched Floyd's The Wall lately? |   |  
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	  | Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |  
	  | http://www.mncast.com/outSearch/mncPlayer.asp?movieID=10021319320070314173434&player=7 
 I have almost nothing to do today and was watching old music videos. I watched this one and though *beep*, nothing in that video seems unfamiliar after a few years of teaching in Korea. Watch it again. It really gives you something to think about.
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 I saw it last year. What does it make you think about this time?
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		| Yu_Bum_suk 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Watched Floyd's The Wall lately? |   |  
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	  | Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |  
	  | http://www.mncast.com/outSearch/mncPlayer.asp?movieID=10021319320070314173434&player=7 
 I have almost nothing to do today and was watching old music videos. I watched this one and though *beep*, nothing in that video seems unfamiliar after a few years of teaching in Korea. Watch it again. It really gives you something to think about.
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 I saw it last year. What does it make you think about this time?
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 I've never actually watched the whole film - just the music video. It really made me think of students just blindly going through the motions and getting processed along, and wonder about the extent to which I'm part of the machinery that does that or a bit of liberation from it.
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		| Cheonmunka 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It's all very well and good to have a humanist philosphy and decree the events and masters of the 20th f^%$en Century, but I'd rather have some education going on than none at all. Actually, when I think about it, my childhood was nothing like that depicted in the Wall. I was never in Roger Waters' head to understand what was really happening in that movie.
 The music? Before its time and friggin excellent - wish I could hear top 40 music like that on the radio now.
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		| cbclark4 
 
  
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		| mnhnhyouh 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| One line struck me when it came out, 1979, IIRC, when I was 15. That was about "dark sarcasm in the classroom". 
 I remind myself of that often as a teacher, so I dont use it.
 
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		| trubadour 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| We are part of it. 
 School itself is an important lesson. Sometimes I think that as teachers we must have failed to learn it, since we keep coming back!
 
 The education system as a whole is very important for society, of course. It has many benefits, not least in getting away from ones parents! Though I think one has to agree that it is quite fundamentally flawed in conception (both in the understanding of the nature and potential of humanity and the true value of knowledge) and execution (dependence on objectivity).
 
 It is compromised by an ambiguity at the root of it's modern inception - the twin aims of creating a knowledgeable a work force and instilling social order on the masses. Ideas that encourage 'education' to be used like a blunt instrument of order on a 'mass' of poor, ignorant and idle (and let's face it, the vulnerable) to make them useful (productive) citizens.
 
 There were, perhaps, some noble principles in there, but they got reduced to targets measured by what is useful, and at the same time, what is useful is reduced to the merely mechanical.
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