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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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 Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: US Marines massacre 24 innocents |
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It appears that 24 unarmed civilians (including women and children) have been murdered by US marines. This was then covered up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1784307,00.html
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'Then they killed my granny' - One girl's story
." When the marines entered the house, they were shouting in English. "First, they went into my father's room, where he was reading the Qur'an," she claims, "and we heard shots."
According to Eman, the marines then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well - only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."
She claims the troops started firing toward the corner of the room where she and her younger brother, Abdul Rahman, 8, were hiding; the other adults shielded the children from the bullets but died in the process. Eman says her leg was hit by a piece of metal and Abdul Rahman was shot near his shoulder.
"We were lying there, bleeding, and it hurt so much. Afterward, some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting, 'Why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'We didn't do it. The Americans did.'" |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Haditha. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1784622,00.html
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Fresh evidence of 'executions' by rogue US marines in Iraq
New photographs lend weight to allegations of revenge killings by US unit under attack in which 24 unarmed civilians died
Fresh photographic evidence seen by US investigators is believed to reveal that some of the 24 unarmed Iraqis killed in the Iraqi town of Haditha after an American died in a roadside bomb in November were in effect executed, it was reported yesterday.
According to Congressional and defence officials quoted by the Los Angeles Times, the pictures show wounds to the upper bodies of the victims, who included several women and six children. Some were shot in the head and some in the back.
'There wasn't a gunfight, there were no pockmarked walls,' the paper reports a congressional aide as saying. And it quotes a US Defence Department official who had been briefed on the contents of the photos as saying 'the wounds indicated execution-style' shootings. |
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| Eyewitnesses and human rights groups believe the marines swept through the town in a lust for revenge. The attack may have lasted for several hours. At the end of it, 24 Iraqi civilians had been killed. They included a 76-year-old amputee and a four-year-old boy. In one house an entire family, including seven children, were attacked with guns and grenades. Only a 13-year-old girl survived. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: Re: US Marines massacre 24 innocents |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| It appears that 24 unarmed civilians (including women and children) have been murdered by US marines. This was then covered up. |
oh how ghastly. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Indeed ...
And while Big Bird at least doesn't appear to be one, a few of us here still recall you quickly jumping on this one as soon as it broke in the mainsteam press, a while back now.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/search.php?mode=results |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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My point for simply saying 'Haditha' is that from now one it'll be one of those words in our lexicon that require no explanation, like 'Pearl Harbour', or '9/11', or 'My Lai' or 'Abu Ghraib'.
I'm watching John Murtha with George Stephanopolous on ABC This Week and he says there is absolutely no doubt there was a massacre of 24 civilians and there is photographic evidence. There is also a huge cover up and "the real question is how far up does this cover up go"? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I'm watching John Murtha with George Stephanopolous on ABC This Week and he says there is absolutely no doubt there was a massacre of 24 civilians and there is photographic evidence. There is also a huge cover up and "the real question is how far up does this cover up go"?
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I'm glad to hear that(about the show, not the massacre).
But do you get the impression that this story is otherwise being downplayed? It doesn't seem to have too huge a prominence on the American news sites I was just checking out. But I haven't seen the print or TV media for the last few days, so I dunno.
I, too, commend Bulsajo for being on top of this right away. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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But do you get the impression that this story is otherwise being downplayed? |
Maybe the transcript of ABC Thei Week with GS will be online later; I hope so because I think they mention this at one point. |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| but hey it's for freedom - no big deal right? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| But do you get the impression that this story is otherwise being downplayed? It doesn't seem to have too huge a prominence on the American news sites I was just checking out. |
Iraq is merely one story among many in the U.S. news this week, whose coverage ranges from immigration (which currently dominates the news) to the conflict between the executive and Congress and also American Idol.
In any case, the story is not being downplayed or "covered up."
This was published last Friday, for example...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/26/marines.haditha/index.html |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| thebum wrote: |
| ...no big deal right? |
No, it is a big deal.
For those constantly mining the net for data to support their argument that the U.S. is the Great Satan, this story confirms their beliefs. Indeed, it gives them ammunition.
For others, this is very unfortunate and a tragedy.
So, either way, yes, it is a big deal. |
he was being sarcastic there.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| In any case, the story is not being downplayed or "covered up." |
The key, is that it isn't being down played or "covered up" NOW...because the story was broken...the members of the marine unit and their superiors definitely "tried" to cover it up and down play it, but evidence came out because they could not cover their tracks....
But, since it has come out, because it made it so far up the chain of command, the US military had to begin a formal investigation...now they can be brought up on charges (some for murder - which carries a possible penalty of death...)...
You are right though, it is a very unfortunate incident.... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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