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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: Asked to re-sign immediately |
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I posted this on another thread, but I want to start a new thread of my own.
I work at a public middle-school, and by any indication, I've done a good job.
Anyways, I just finished my last class of the day and my co-teacher came up to me and said "Oh, do you want to re-sign your contract?". I have four months left, so I was not expecting this so soon. I asked her when she needed to know by, and she said immediately. I got really angry about it, and eventually, my supervisor told me to think about it over the weekend.
I was really pissed off
1) about how demanding it was and how they needed an answer immediately. This speaks volumes in itself.
2) about how casual I was asked. No offer, no talk about my performance, nothing. Want to resign? Yes? Ok, check box A. No? Ok, check box B. We'll get a new round-eye next term. You're all the same, after all. You all speak English.
3) that it was my co-teacher instead of my Vice-principal or Principal who asked me. I felt that was very disrepectful, and showed just how much they cared. Surely an offer like re-signing another year should come from your boss instead of your co-worker?
Anyways, I already knew my answer and I've expressed a lot of cynicism about this program here on Dave's, but that's not the point. I've done a good job, and I think I had earned the right to have ten minutes respect and to have received a proper offer.It wasn't just one of these things above, but all of them combined that really ticked me off. They just don't care, and I don' t know why I do. I suppose it's the only way I can maintain my own self-esteem. I know I have more to offer than being a warm English-speaking body even if they won't reckonise it.
The schadenfreude in me right now wants this program to fill up with recent college grads on an extended frat party and middle-aged alcoholics running away from child alimony in their home countries. Useless. And the PoE can keep throwing more and more money away at their their incompetence, and keep complaining to the media about their low-quality foreigners' lessons. Like deserves like.
(In reality, when I leave at the end of my contract, I know I'm not going to be looking back. I don't *really* want this to happen. I won't care what happens either way.)
Am I being unreasonable? Or Is this just a case of 'it's time to go'? Anyways, it was a good kick in the head to remind me why I could never stay here. |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like your hard work is really being appreciated, not.
Four months is still a long way from making any kind of renewed commitment with people who really don�t appreciate your value.
I would just give them �maybe and think about it� answer and tell them you�ll get back to them later. And give them your peace a month before your contract is up. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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ChuckECheese wrote: |
It sounds like your hard work is really being appreciated, not.
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I don't expect them to kiss my ass..but man, Korea can suck the motivation right out of a person. This job is perfect for someone who is lazy and has no ambition. Just play stupid and pretend that you don't know how to teach or write a lesson plan and you can spend your days being a glorified tape recorder and surfin' on Daves. You'll get paid the same and have a lot less stress.
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I would just give them �maybe and think about it� answer and tell them you�ll get back to them later. And give them your peace a month before your contract is up. |
I'm going to tell them no, I have plans to go home. I'll let them save face. I'm not here to change the system, I won't be back, and frankly, I just don't care. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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A foreigner looking for respect in Korea is like a foxhound expecting a ride on the horsey during a foxhunt. You got your hierarchy messed up.
That being said, there are Koreans who recognise us as human beings. But you're not going to find many of them in public schools (only some of the few overseas-educated teachers, and sometimes the novice English teachers who recognise how much easier you make their life and are grateful for it).
Your school doesn't care about educating the Korean minions. You do. Your school doesn't deserve you. Let them continue in their ignorant bliss (well, we can't stop them), and find the job where you can have the greatest impact on your students' English abilities.
It's so much more satisfying when the kids recognise that you are indeed giving them the gift of English (ha ha) proficiency. I don't think this is possible to any effective degree in the oppressive public school system. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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babtangee wrote: |
Your school doesn't care about educating the Korean minions. You do. Your school doesn't deserve you. Let them continue in their ignorant bliss (well, we can't stop them), and find the job where you can have the greatest impact on your students' English abilities.
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To be honest, I don't give a flying fig if Koreans learn English or not. I only try because it's my job to do so. I also don't claim to be God's gift to the teaching profession, I'm not, and I had a few bumps this term with my co-teacher. However even in the worst moments I remained professional and competent. There's something to be said for that alone in such a sad, sorry workforce as this. All I think I deserve is a little bit of sincerity.
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It's so much more satisfying when the kids recognise that you are indeed giving them the gift of English (ha ha) proficiency. I don't think this is possible to any effective degree in the oppressive public school system. |
I'm through with teaching in Korea altogether. I don't want to step foot in another hagwon, public school, or whatever. I really don't care if Koreans learn English, Chinese, or Nepalese. If in twenty years time from now, trillions of won and dozens of English teacher scandals later, there are no changes, it's their problem, not mine. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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My VP asked me last year if I'd stay on until at least summer of 2009. Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but all in all those kinds of questions are a very positive sign. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Bottom line is that they don't care about you. They never did they never will. I learned a long time ago to never over value my own worth in other peoples eyes. I know what I am worth if they are not willing to pay I am not willing to work there are always better opertunities. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
Bottom line is that they don't care about you. |
Bottom line is they have NO bottom line: it's public service, no profit in it for them.
One benefit of the hagwon biz is that it is a biz and if you have a good job and a director who knows how to run it well enough then you get wined and dined and given gifts.
I recently re-signed at this hagwon, and have twice re-signed at my last hagwon, and in each case the director himself made a big respectful deal about it, giving me his full attention. I felt important, needed. And indeed I am.
Once again, a good hagwon trumps public schools. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
Wrench wrote: |
Bottom line is that they don't care about you. |
Bottom line is they have NO bottom line: it's public service, no profit in it for them.
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This is exactly it. They don't care because they don't have to care. From the bottom to the top, nobody's accountable for results for us. If I was a screw-up and couldn't do my job, they'd shrug their shoulders and teach the classes for me and use me as a pronunciation monkey. You think at some level, someone would be accountable to the taxpayers who fund us to show that we really are worth the money we cost, but apparently it doesn't work that way in Korea; or at least not yet.
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I recently re-signed at this hagwon, and have twice re-signed at my last hagwon, and in each case the director himself made a big respectful deal about it, giving me his full attention. I felt important, needed. And indeed I am.
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Same here. When I left my hagwon I was wined and dined and had the expensive whiskey broken out and my director practically begged me to stay. If I was interested, I practically could have written my own ticket, but alas, I made the mistake of thinking a public school experience in the long run would be more meaningful. It's not.
I didn't expect that kind of treatment from a public school. It's a much bigger beaucratic machine and not a business like a hagwon, but still, showing (or even faking) a little sincerity would've been nice. All I think I deserved was proper notice and a proper offer. |
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ChuckECheese

Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
Wrench wrote: |
Bottom line is that they don't care about you. |
Bottom line is they have NO bottom line: it's public service, no profit in it for them.
One benefit of the hagwon biz is that it is a biz and if you have a good job and a director who knows how to run it well enough then you get wined and dined and given gifts.
I recently re-signed at this hagwon, and have twice re-signed at my last hagwon, and in each case the director himself made a big respectful deal about it, giving me his full attention. I felt important, needed. And indeed I am.
Once again, a good hagwon trumps public schools. |
I totally agree! 100%!
And you can make more money by doing other jobs on the side when your teaching hours are very low like me. I teach 20 classes (50min)/week for my hagwon and 10 hours/week of privates on the side.
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zappadelta

Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Well, actually, your coteacher is above you in the system. You are not equals, even though everything you read and maybe all the meetings you go to, they say you are partners. This is not true. They are responsible for monitoring you and he/she should be the one that initially talks to you about resigning. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Asked to re-sign immediately |
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bosintang wrote: |
I posted this on another thread, but I want to start a new thread of my own.
I work at a public middle-school, and by any indication, I've done a good job.
Anyways, I just finished my last class of the day and my co-teacher came up to me and said "Oh, do you want to re-sign your contract?". I have four months left, so I was not expecting this so soon. I asked her when she needed to know by, and she said immediately. I got really angry about it, and eventually, my supervisor told me to think about it over the weekend.
I was really pissed off
1) about how demanding it was and how they needed an answer immediately. This speaks volumes in itself.
2) about how casual I was asked. No offer, no talk about my performance, nothing. Want to resign? Yes? Ok, check box A. No? Ok, check box B. We'll get a new round-eye next term. You're all the same, after all. You all speak English.
3) that it was my co-teacher instead of my Vice-principal or Principal who asked me. I felt that was very disrepectful, and showed just how much they cared. Surely an offer like re-signing another year should come from your boss instead of your co-worker?
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I'm not flaming you but don't you think you are being a tad unreasonable?
1. They need to know soon (immediately is best so they can take care of the paperwork ASAP). And I don't know why you would think that asking for an immediate answer is that bad...they probably thought that your mind was made up one way or another. I seriously doubt it was meant disrespectfully.
2. Again what did you want them to do? Break out the whiskey and have a big song and dance? This is a public service. If you work in any public service back home as a free-lance one year contract type of deal you'll be asked the same question about re-signing and whether you do or not most people there won't likely care. The world will keep on turning.
3. That's the way it works (especially here). It comes down from the top. Again back in the West if you work for a big company or public service, the CEO is not going to ask you personally to re-sign...maybe your foreman will (co-equivelent here is the whitey wrangler/manager/teacher with best English). (see post above)
Anyway sorry to hear of your difficulties and best of luck in whatever new career you choose. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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"I get no respect. The way my luck is running, if I was a politician I would be honest" -Rodney Dangerfield
Public school is a communal thing. We're in there with the arts and crafts. Anyway, they want you next year, that's a good thing, so why not relax about it? (!). |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Asked to re-sign immediately |
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The_Conservative wrote: |
I'm not flaming you but don't you think you are being a tad unreasonable?
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Maybe.
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1. They need to know soon (immediately is best so they can take care of the paperwork ASAP). And I don't know why you would think that asking for an immediate answer is that bad...they probably thought that your mind was made up one way or another. I seriously doubt it was meant disrespectfully.
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Maybe they didn't mean it disrepectfully, and yes, they knew I was thinking about it. They need to do the paperwork ASAP, I can understand that, but they're asking me to make a decision about the next year of my life four months in advance ASAP. Like I said, they didn't even make me an offer. You just can't demand that someone is going to say yes or no like that. Well, you can, but you're not going to get an answer.
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2. Again what did you want them to do? Break out the whiskey and have a big song and dance? This is a public service. If you work in any public service back home as a free-lance one year contract type of deal you'll be asked the same question about re-signing and whether you do or not most people there won't likely care. The world will keep on turning.
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I don't care about public service back home, but every professional or semi-professional job I ever worked, including the military, I had someone talk to me about re-signing, starting with a speech about my performance and future plans. It's just common sense. You want someone to re-sign a contract, you should make them feel like it's an important thing. Show a little formality, show like you're asking an employee to re-sign because they're doing a good job and not because they're ticking off a checkbox.
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3. That's the way it works (especially here). It comes down from the top. Again back in the West if you work for a big company or public service, the CEO is not going to ask you personally to re-sign...maybe your foreman will (co-equivelent here is the whitey wrangler/manager/teacher with best English). (see post above)
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This is absolutely not true. I've worked for companies on shorter contracts, and like I said, I've always had a formal meeting about re-signing. No, it didn't always involve wining and dining, but a five-ten minute meeting is not asking much, and a vice-principal is hardly a CEO.
Even then, I wouldn't have been pissed off it wasn't all three of these things. If at some level they showed like they were sincere about it. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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zappadelta wrote: |
Well, actually, your coteacher is above you in the system. You are not equals, even though everything you read and maybe all the meetings you go to, they say you are partners. This is not true. They are responsible for monitoring you and he/she should be the one that initially talks to you about resigning. |
You're right. But it's the principal's decision whether to re-sign you or not. Of course, in reality, that filters up from whatever your wrangler decides, but it's still the principal's decision. Anyways, that by itself was not such a big deal. Just in combination with everything else. And maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this, which is why I'm ranting on here instead of anywhere else. |
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