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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: WHY LEFTIST HEARTS/MINDS TALK TO COMBAT TERRORISM IS BUNK |
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The bleeding heart liberals and the neo-Marxist obsessed leftist radicals would have us believe that if only we did more to get at the root causes of Muslim terrorism the Western powers would not need to worry.
They talk ad nauseum about the need for alleviating poverty in this region of the world, which stretches from Indonesia to Egypt.
They cite at length the supposed travesties of modernism assaulting the traditional tribal cultures of the region.
They rail against the interventionist foreign policies of the U.S. and Britain in the region and supposedly unqualified military and diplomatic support for Israel.
They speak of the need for greater multicultural understanding in the West, for promotion of community outreach programs among the new immigrants from the region and other platitudes.
All in a well-meant but misguided effort to win hearts and minds in the Muslim world and thereby somehow take away the motives for jihadists and other terrorists. Kumbayah, My Lord, kumbayah.
BUT NONE OF THESE ACTIONS WILL LEAD TO THE DEMISE OF ISLAMOFASCISM AND TERRORISM
And here's why...
First, an example of the counterevidence:
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The AP sent a reporter to the three illegal alien Jersey Jihadists' hometown of Debar, located on Macedonia's border with Albania. Relatives of the Duka brothers reacted:
"They must have been crazy. They shouldn't dare throw a stone at America," said Rrahmi Duka, 70, a distant relative of the brothers, as a loudspeaker blared Muslim prayers in Debar's main square.
"Who saved us? America," he said. "We are in America's hands." |
Julia Gorin has a must-read on Balkan Muslim blowback:
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| ...Those would be the same terror experts who, in their daily opining on the War on Terror, haven�t touched the Balkans � a key region in the War on Terror, as it was the site of al-Qaeda�s proliferation into a truly global network and now serves as the organization�s European base and entryway for attacks on that continent and others. So, we�re in for yet another round of terror �experts� painting terrorism in and from the Balkans as a unique thing, suspended in a vacuum of context, lest Americans start piecing things together and surmising that perhaps what happened to the Serbs is in some way related to what�s happening everywhere else on the globe. Just so no one has to look too far, here�s an excerpt from a New York Times article that was written before we decided that, in the Balkans, the terrorists are the good guys: A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others. The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided. |
But watch the Fort Dix story go away faster than the one about the Bosnian Muslim who killed five Americans and injured another four in Salt Lake City for Valentine�s Day three months ago. Who even knows that at least two of the 9/11 hijackers were veterans of the Bosnian jihad, as Muslim sources now openly call it?
Here you have a people who owe their very existence to Anglo-American intervention, which is widely acknowledged among much of the populace in Kosovo and yet two different groups of Kosovan immigrants attempt to engage in terrorist attacks in their adopted country.
So let's put it in context (this from Michelle Malkin):
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I noted early on that Fort Dix had been a refuge for ethnic Albanians from Kosovo. As I suspected, Agron Abdullahu, one of the Jersey Jihadist suspects, was indeed one of the thousands of ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo whom we welcomed there in 1999 (hat tip: Allah): A trained sniper during the war in Kosovo, Abdullahu and his family were among thousands given safe haven in the U.S. under the Clinton administration to protect them from the Serbs. For months, they would be housed in refugee camps at Ft. Dix, a circumstance which now points to a terribly ironic twist.
Terribly ironic? Or sadly predictable?
WPVI interviewed one of Abdullahu's co-workers:
"He never really came out and said he had a hatred towards Americans and I told him many times, 'look, you would have been left there if it wasn't for us helping you out.' If Clinton didn't bring them in, he never would have had the chance that he had. This is how he repays us," [Bob] Watts said.
Well, here is the thanks we get. Eight years ago, America opened its arms to tens of thousands of ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo. The first planeload landed at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Military leaders worked day and night to turn the base into a child-friendly village. They coordinated medical and security checkups, mental health and trauma counseling and ethnic food preparations. Soldiers from Fort Bragg traveled up from North Carolina to assist in refugee operations at Fort Dix. Then-U.S. Army Brig. Gen. Mitchell M. Zais also assembled a team of about 80 soldiers from the U.S. Army Reserve Command in Atlanta. The New Jersey National Guard and American Red Cross teamed up to coordinate charity relief. The military also supported the relief effort's interagency task force, headed by the Department of Health and Human Services. In addition to food and shelter, we provided translators, welfare consultants and Muslim chaplains. The base constructed prayer rooms and handed out Muslim "sensitivity" cards to the troops. Said Gen. Zais: "We want to welcome these people to America the way we might wish our grandparents and great-grandparents had been welcomed to Ellis Island."
Fast-forward from 1999 to yesterday's headline news: "Fort Dix Plot Aimed At Soldiers; Authorities Say 6 Islamic Militants Arrested, Were Plotting Attack At N.J. Base." Three of the alleged plotters were illegal alien brothers from the former Yugoslavia. Another was a legal permanent resident from the former Yugoslavia. Another hailed from Jordan, and the sixth was a naturalized American citizen originally from Turkey. According to the criminal complaint against Dritan Duka, one of the illegal alien brothers accused of knowingly and willfully conspiring with the jihadi gang to kill U.S. soldiers, the plotters have schemed for more than a year to murder our troops. They scoped out Dover Air Force Base and Fort Monmouth, as well as the port of Philadelphia, before settling on Fort Dix. One of the participants used to deliver pizza to the base � used to supply food to our men and women in uniform giving him business � and knew the military facility "like the palm of his hand." You think all our hospitality and charity bred good will in these young men � all in their 20s and enjoying the fruits of the American Dream? Forget about it. The criminal complaint describes the plotters, along with a confidential informant, gathering at a rental house to train with Mujahadin video games: "Members of the group pointed out that United States military vehicles were shown being destroyed in various attacks. [Illegal alien] Shain Duka pointed out that a United States Marine's arm had been blown off, at which point laughter erupted from the group." Just hard-working, "undocumented citizens" plotting the plots and laughing at the anti-American atrocities ordinary Americans wouldn't laugh at, yeah? If they had only laid low a few extra months, they might have gotten that illegal alien amnesty President Bush and Congress are so eager to hand out. According to the criminal complaint, they laughed at our troops getting maimed and killed. They soaked up Osama bin Laden's evil rants. They studied the 9/11 hijackers' last wills and testaments. They contemplated infiltrating our armed forces to frag soldiers from the inside. They relished the thought of spilling American blood on American soil. Is yours boiling yet? "My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers," Jordanian-born naturalized U.S. citizen Mohamad Shnewer is quoted telling the plotters. "You hit four, five, six humvees and light the whole place [up] and retreat completely without any losses." Eight years ago, at the Clinton administration's behest, this nation welcomed refugees escaping a genocidal regime whose military spread fear and brutalized its people. Eight years later, we have a homegrown jihad plot targeting a base that symbolizes the best, the brightest and the most compassionate our military has to offer. And what is the Muslim community doing to condemn the accused traitors in our midst? Carping about the government's actions to stop jihad in its tracks: "If these people did something, then they deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law," said Muslim lawyer Sohail Mohammed. "But when the government says 'Islamic militants,' it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.'" |
FINALLY, THERE IS THIS TO CONSIDER:
Even if we do ALL the things the liberals and leftists whine about, it will not substantially diminish the incidence of Muslim terrorism. Why not?
Because there is ongoing indoctrination of hundreds of thousands of Muslim youth in the madrassahs where irresponsible mullahs, imams, and other religious leaders teach hatred of the infidel on a daily basis.
You've now got Mickey Mouse being used as a twisted spokesman for resistance (a code word for terrorists) on Hamas TV in the Palestinian Authority.
All of this distorted, hateful, demonizing "education" emanates from within the Muslim societies and is abetted by many who while not actively aiding terrorists nonetheless tacitly endorse it through their financial support. And nothing we do in the West in and of itself can ever hope to curb it unless the U.N. and other world bodies put concerted and continual pressure on these backward thinking societies to clean their own houses. The responsibility and blame falls squarely on the shoulders of every Muslim community which turns a blind eye to this growing threat to humanity. |
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Mosley
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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so lets bomb the shit out of them!! ya!! wooo-hoooo!!!
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endo
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Why does you stupid thread title that doesn't make any sense have to be in caps?
Go to Singapore, spray paint a wall, and get your azz whiped?   |
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endo
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Yeah Stevie, this bleeding heart neo-marxist liberal is sure standing up to those evil facist muslims. |
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endo
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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You make bed fellows with the enemy and then you cry and wonder why they attacked you.
You don't have an answer and instead of looking in the mirror at yourself, you blame those dastardly liberals. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah Stevie, this bleeding heart neo-marxist liberal is sure standing up to those evil facist muslims. |
Not to mention the latest inductee into Bush's inner circle of cronies...
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| Dr. Zalmay Mamozy Khalilzad (Pashto/Persian: زلمی خلیلزاد) (born: 22 March 1951) is the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. He is a member of the President's cabinet and the highest-ranking Muslim in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush. |
And the real hilarious thing is that some of the people voting for the party that put a Muslim in the highest, most sensitive echelons of American power are likely the same doorknobs who are scared of Obama because of his middle name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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And the real hilarious thing is that some of the people voting for the party that put a Muslim in the highest, most sensitive echelons of American power are likely the same doorknobs who are scared of Obama because of his middle name.
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I don't know what his middle name is and could care less. What scares me about him (and Sen. Clinton, too) is that they say they will keep nuking Iran "on the table" as a foreign policy option.
Mike Gravel said that's one thing about those people that scares him. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: Re: WHY LEFTIST HEARTS/MINDS TALK TO COMBAT TERRORISM IS BUN |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| All of this distorted, hateful, demonizing "education" |
Propagandist, heal thyself. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Steve, I know you'd love to just kill 'em all, but it's not going to happen.
When you rule out the "kill all muslims" solution to the problem of terrorism, then you have the next best option, which is to try to stop creating future terrorists by trying to figure out how we made people hate us so much they they will fly planes into buildings. Al Qaeda, after all, was created by us.
Also, "islamofascism" is not a real word, it was made up by spin-doctors during the "War on Terror". It's the American equivalent to North Korea's anti-capitalist rhetoric. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
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And the real hilarious thing is that some of the people voting for the party that put a Muslim in the highest, most sensitive echelons of American power are likely the same doorknobs who are scared of Obama because of his middle name.
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I don't know what his middle name is and could care less. What scares me about him (and Sen. Clinton, too) is that they say they will keep nuking Iran "on the table" as a foreign policy option.
Mike Gravel said that's one thing about those people that scares him. |
Iran doesnt' take nuking off the table. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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which is to try to stop creating future terrorists by trying to figure out how we made people hate us so much they they will fly planes into buildings. Al Qaeda, after all, was created by us. |
the main reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence.
By the way Al Qaeda was created by the US? Why don't you show it?
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Also, "islamofascism" is not a real word, it was made up by spin-doctors during the "War on Terror". It's the American equivalent to North Korea's anti-capitalist rhetoric.
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I never thought is was the perfect term nevertheless
Bathists , Khomeni followers Al Qaedists are all fascist bigots. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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samd drooled:
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| When you rule out the "kill all muslims" solution to the problem of terrorism, then you have the next best option, which is to try to stop creating future terrorists by trying to figure out how we made people hate us so much they they will fly planes into buildings. Al Qaeda, after all, was created by us. Also, "islamofascism" is not a real word, it was made up by spin-doctors during the "War on Terror". It's the American equivalent to North Korea's anti-capitalist rhetoric. |
Show me where I said or implied that all muslims should be killed? Otherwise, STFU.
Focus, leftwinger, focus. 
You can call them whatever you wish but it won't alter their mindset or actions as long as the societies from which they come either encourage or condone it.
If you can't see that point, then you're dumber than I thought. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to mention the latest inductee into Bush's inner circle of cronies... |
This is not news. Khalilzad has been on the inside since he served SecDef Cheney and Wolfowitz at the Pentagon in the H.W. Bush Administration. He remained on the inside, in the Republican camp, throughout the Clinton years. And Cheney appointed him to direct the Pentagon's transition team in Jan. 2001.
This appointment should surprise no one.
Khalilzad has been an up-and-comer for years.
Compare him, on the Democratic side, with Richard Holbrooke, who might very well serve as SecState in a Democratic administration. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. Study Finds Billions Of Iraqi Oil "Missing": NYT 
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Billions of dollars' worth of Iraq's declared oil production over the past four years is "unaccounted" for, "possibly" having been siphoned off through corruption or smuggling, The New York Times said on Saturday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070512/ts_nm/iraq_oil_report_dc ...
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