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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: Pay days part way through the month |
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How exactly does it stop somebody doing a runner by paying them on the 5th or 10th rather than on the 1st.
Surely any sensible person would do a runner on payday no matter what day it was.
Doesn't really make a difference either way what day it is on. Or does it? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Because if you do a runner on the 10th with your pay check in hand, then you are leaving behind any pay owed to you for the work you may have done from the 1st to 10th.
Pay on the 10th is for the previous month. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I presume this only works if you start work on the 1st of a month then.
If you are being paid on the tenth and working until the next tenth it's only a one month period.
Maybe I'm just having a mental day. |
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kat2
Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Most places that do this pay everyone on the same day, regardless of when you started.
YOu start May 15. You get prorated pay on June 10 for work between May 15-May 31. July 10 you get paid for work between JUne 1 and June 30. So it would mean that you lose 10 days of pay if you run.
I get paid on the 15th every month for work done hte previous calendar month. So, I would lose out on half a month's pay if I ran. |
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jellobean
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| And of course anyone who is doing it is doing something illegal..... Don't except anything but being paid on the day after the day the pay period ends.... |
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kat2
Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would it be illegal? They are still paying you for your time worked. All public schools do this here, and every job I've ever had in any country does this. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| kat2 wrote: |
| Why would it be illegal? They are still paying you for your time worked. All public schools do this here, and every job I've ever had in any country does this. |
ummm NO.
Most GEPIK and EPIK funded schools pay on the 25th for the month ending on the 30th (you get paid 5 days BEFORE the pay period ends).
The remainder pay on the last working day of the month for the period ending at month end. There is NO holdback or delay in paying wages.
Only sh1tty hakwons get away with holding your pay for 10 days after your pay period ends and the reason is specifically to prevent runners. |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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[quote="ttompatz
Only sh1tty hakwons get away with holding your pay for 10 days after your pay period ends and the reason is specifically to prevent runners.[/quote]
Not always. The hagwon I work for pays all their staff on the 10th of the month |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| just alittlecrazy wrote: |
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Only sh1tty hakwons get away with holding your pay for 10 days after your pay period ends and the reason is specifically to prevent runners. |
Not always. The hagwon I work for pays all their staff on the 10th of the month |
And your pay period is the calendar month (1-30)?
Point, set and match. |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| you suggest that hagwons pay on the 10th to prevent foreign teachers doing a runner. so why do they pay their Korean staff on the 10th also? where will they run to????? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| just alittlecrazy wrote: |
| you suggest that hagwons pay on the 10th to prevent foreign teachers doing a runner. so why do they pay their Korean staff on the 10th also? where will they run to????? |
Another job?
The average turnover rate in most hakwons is about 150% per year for korean staff. That 10 day salary holdback makes sure that they stick around long enough to find a replacement (even if they do give notice) and they usually have to train the replacement for free.
It sucks to be a Korean teacher in most hakwons. |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Only sh1tty hakwons get away with holding your pay for 10 days after your pay period ends and the reason is specifically to prevent runners. |
I work at a hakwon that has over 100 employees. If you consider that some, perhaps upwards of 50% of the employees offer to do overtime at some point throughout the month, this can prove difficult for the accountant to get everyone's pay regulated by the end of the month. Not once in the 5 years that I have worked at the hakwon have they withheld any pay or severence. They have run things by the books. And we are paid on the 10th of every month.
I do understand that there are shaddy places out there, but to lump them all saying it is hakwon hell, is an unfair comment.
While I understand that Tom is a big advocate of the public school sector, and does have a wealth of knowledge that can help many teachers out of their sticky situations, I feel that he is sometimes one sided, perhaps because he was in a terrible situation at a hakwon hell. And I honestly mean this as no slight to you Tom. I actually think what you say is valuable, although sometimes cut and dry.
In the end, does it stop people from doing runners, not at all. People will run no matter what, if they are not happy where they are. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
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| Only sh1tty hakwons get away with holding your pay for 10 days after your pay period ends and the reason is specifically to prevent runners. |
I work at a hakwon that has over 100 employees. If you consider that some, perhaps upwards of 50% of the employees offer to do overtime at some point throughout the month, this can prove difficult for the accountant to get everyone's pay regulated by the end of the month. Not once in the 5 years that I have worked at the hakwon have they withheld any pay or severence. They have run things by the books. And we are paid on the 10th of every month.
I do understand that there are shaddy places out there, but to lump them all saying it is hakwon hell, is an unfair comment.
While I understand that Tom is a big advocate of the public school sector, and does have a wealth of knowledge that can help many teachers out of their sticky situations, I feel that he is sometimes one sided, perhaps because he was in a terrible situation at a hakwon hell. And I honestly mean this as no slight to you Tom. I actually think what you say is valuable, although sometimes cut and dry.
In the end, does it stop people from doing runners, not at all. People will run no matter what, if they are not happy where they are. |
Actually, I did not work in a hakwon hell. I worked as an advocate (sort of a paralegal) assisting several HUNDRED teachers who had the misfortune to get screwed by many hakwons.
There are by my empirical estimation about 20% of hakwons are honestly run and play by the rules. 80% do not.
I do not necessarily advocate for the public school system but I DO advocate that prospective new teachers spend the time to do proper DUE DILLIGENCE checking out their prospective new employer.
To do less is inviting problems.
The pay issue is just one of many potential red flags. It in and of itself would not be a deal breaker but would certainly make me sit up and take notice and start asking many more questions BEFORE I sign on the dotted line. |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Well put polonius. I totally agree with you. I have found Tom's other posts very insightful and useful but this issue has puzzled me. I'm sure there are bad hagwons out there but mine has certainly made sure I am happy and the Korean staff have been nothing but friendly and helpful.
One of the Korean English teachers thought about leaving because she wanted an earlier finish time and had applied for another job so they gave her a raise and earlier finish time to have her stay. Its certainly not hell for every one.
And being paid on the 10th of the following month doesn't worry me because it is normal practice in many Western businesses. My university used paid me on the 14th of the following month. |
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