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aphasia83
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: jobs for newbies that actually involve teacher development? |
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Hi,
I am interested in coming to South Korea for my first year or so of teaching (in order to gain experience) and I am interested in investigating teaching as a long-term career. Thus, wondering whether there are any schools or types of schools (or even companies, like YBM or something) that offer professional development for their employees. Is there any chance of this, for a newbie? Or am I dreaming? |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Private schools (hogwans) care only about grabbing immediate money, and using you to get it for them.
Have you ever lived overseas? It's can be quite a shock, and you may not enjoy it. First, see if you enjoy it before making any long-term plans. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
Private schools (hogwans) care only about grabbing immediate money, and using you to get it for them.
Have you ever lived overseas? It's can be quite a shock, and you may not enjoy it. First, see if you enjoy it before making any long-term plans. |
Agreed..this place eats up new teachers. |
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aphasia83
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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actually, I have lived abroad in a few different countries - I absolutely love it. It's hard, yes, but I haven't found anything to be nearly so rewarding. That's sort of why I'm looking into TESOL in the first place, rather than just teaching in my home province.
Does anyone else have anything to offer? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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aphasia83 wrote: |
actually, I have lived abroad in a few different countries - I absolutely love it. It's hard, yes, but I haven't found anything to be nearly so rewarding. That's sort of why I'm looking into TESOL in the first place, rather than just teaching in my home province.
Does anyone else have anything to offer? |
Schools here do NOT offer any form of professional development.
http://gepik.ken.go.kr/r/bbs/board.php?bbs_code=f_qna
is the official policy in regards to pro-D by Gyeonggi province. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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There are many good hogwans (like the one I work at) that offer fully paid training for one or two weeks upon arrival, and onging training throughout your contract. They will also give you much better terms for renewal, since you have been trained.
We train all of our new teachers. We have found, however, that teachers with TEFL and other certificates need at least as much training as those without.
I think you will find very little training in the public schools. There you are just a white faced dancing monkey, babysitting the children in the morning until they can go to their after school programs and get a real education. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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I think you will find very little training in the public schools. There you are just a white faced dancing monkey, babysitting the children in the morning until they can go to their after school programs and get a real education.
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Welcome to teaching English in Korea.  |
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root555
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I'm afraid you've chosen the wrong country for your professional goals. All you will find here is frustration, and confusion. I would suggest looking into central Europe, or S. America. If you're set on asia- maybe a place like Singapore. But not Korea. |
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jellobean
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Although, if you work hard, it is possible to learn by doing, here in this crazy place.... A good hagwon or after-school program might work... But check it out real well first... |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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I think you will find very little training in the public schools. There you are just a white faced dancing monkey, babysitting the children in the morning until they can go to their after school programs and get a real education. |
I can say that SMOE will be offering some form of professional development next year.
Still it won't be a lot and the main problem is the question; why should they invest money in professional development when there is no real assurance the person will be around long enough for that training/education to be of benefit to Korean society?
This is the case made and it is hard to argue against.
DD |
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mehamrick

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
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I think you will find very little training in the public schools. There you are just a white faced dancing monkey, babysitting the children in the morning until they can go to their after school programs and get a real education. |
I can say that SMOE will be offering some form of professional development next year.
Still it won't be a lot and the main problem is the question; why should they invest money in professional development when there is no real assurance the person will be around long enough for that training/education to be of benefit to Korean society?
This is the case made and it is hard to argue against.
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One would think that this is pretty easy to solve. Lift all the asinine restrictions that are placed on teachers here, create a decent school program (speaking of elementary), and bump that salary up a little. I would almost guarantee that people would stay longer, and be very happy doing it.
Public schools are a wonderful environment to teach in. Just pay some extra money and have those classes at least twice a week.. Just my thought on it. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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There are a few school that are better than others, but in almost all cases you'll have bosses making decisions that don't make any sense and for the sake of your sanity you've got to learn to roll with it instead of try to do what's best educationally.
Here's what I'd do if I were you (unless you graduated from a very famous school, in which case you have some other options):
1. Get a standard newbie job (probably at a public school) and don't worry too much about professional development. Just do it for a year to see if you like working with kids.
2. If you like kids then go back to your home country and get teaching certification and then work two years in a public school.
3. Once you have that get an international school job through www.iss.edu. If you want to teach english there's only a few places where you can make decent money but if you teach international school your options really open up. That's what my parents did and they ended up teaching in Norway, Finland and Bolivia. I might have done the same but I've got a good job in Korea now, so I'm staying put for the time being. |
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bourbon street
Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Hey there aphasia. Previous replies regarding hagwon training and professional development in Korea are fairly accurate. Perhaps a few hagwons and public schools will provide a few days of boring, useless jabber but for the most part Korea is not where you want to get your training to be a teacher. Is Korea a great place to get your feet wet? Absolutely. I have a degree in Education and am fully certified with 15 years of teaching experience. Taught in Korea collectively for three years. Am currently going to go back to graduate school and will probably go back to Korea subsequent to finishing my Masters degree. If you like teaching and enjoy traveling but don't have a degree in Education, then I highly recommend that you go to Korea for a year to test the waters. Don't worry so much about your training at this point. Experience Korea and get a taste of what it's like to teach in a predominantly non-English speaking environment. If it ends up being your cup of tea and you decide that you really want to make teaching a long term thing, then I would recommend some kind of alternative teacher certification program. This will give you a huge edge when it comes to contending for the better jobs, not to mention the fact that it's a great ticket to teaching all over the planet. As you probably already know, the internet is loaded with educational websites. These resources coupled with the help of some of the other teachers where you are working should easily get you through your first year in Korea just fine. Finally, be sure to do your homework before signing any contracts. While there are some very decent places to teach in Korea there are that many more hell holes that will eat you alive if not careful. Good Luck! |
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