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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: Nutricide - Criminalizing Natural Health |
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This is scary and it is 100% documented and true.
For those of you who maintain that conspiracies don't happen.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/205173323/288844
Watch the video.
I found the blurb about flouride interesting. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nope no conspiracies on this planet 
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Feds Eye Control Of Vitamins, Supplements � Even Water!
FDA looks to regulate natural substances as "drugs",
with prescriptions from doctors
Posted: April 24, 2007 9:30 p.m. Eastern
By Bob Unruh
� 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
FDA Commissioner Andrew von Echenbach
The Food and Drug Administration says vitamins, supplements, herbs and other natural substances, including water when it is used to "treat" dehydration, should be classified as drugs, and opponents have only until April 30 to express their concern about the proposals under Docket No. 2006D-0480.
The website noted that among likely developments if the FDA has its way:
Growing and selling common garden herbs will get you arrested as a drug dealer.
Massage oils and handheld massagers will be regulated as "medical devices."
Vegetable juice will be regulated as a drug.
Weight machines will be regulated as "medical devices" and require FDA approval before being sold or used.
Raw sprouts and other anti-cancer foods will be regulated as "drugs".
Bottled water that "treats" dehydration will be regulated as a "drug".
Massage therapists who use hot rocks as part of their therapy will have the ROCKS regulated as medical devices! (It's true. The FDA will actually look at a pile of rocks and declare, "Those are medical devices!")
Foods, supplements, vitamins and homeopathic remedies will disappear from store shelves, pending FDA "review."
Vitamin store owners will be arrested and prosecuted for "practicing medicine without a license."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55370 |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, IGTG, you're not mentioning the practical reason for doing so, which is to protect people from alternative medicines (most of which is just a con). |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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If you sell something claiming health benefits, prove it's safe and effective. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's harmless. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well boys, it's all actually really easy.
IF you don't want it then don't take it, consume it as a food or nutritional supplement.
But don't think you can tell others what they can or can't do.
That's just criminal.
Listening to a radio show right now saying that its all ties into CAFTA!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAFTA
Codex Alimentarius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alimentarius |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
IF you don't want it then don't take it, consume it as a food or nutritional supplement. |
Yes but that's not the current law. Currently if you're big pharma you have to prove your health claims. If you hang out a shingle saying "Mountain Man Naturopath" you don't. Do you think the FDA should stop insisting on 4 phase drug trials for big pharma and let them release any concoction for profit? I don't see why anyone making health claims should get a free pass. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Alternative therapies, age old medicines, healing techniques, HERBS, plants, foods etc are no where near as damaging & lethal as the huge catalogued "product" big PHARMA wants the masses to increasingly consume whenever they have a little problem, ache, pain, discomfort or complaint.
Pharmaceuticals are among the top 5 killers in the U.S. alone
You're familiar with the "WAR" on "DRUGS" aren't you?
CAVEAT EMPTOR
Heal thyself! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Alternative therapies, age old medicines, healing techniques, HERBS, plants, foods etc are no where near as damaging & lethal as the huge catalogued "product" big PHARMA wants the masses to increasingly consume whenever they have a little problem, ache, pain, discomfort or complaint. |
There are plenty of natural substances that can be toxic and "prescribed" by witch... err naturopaths. For example, some people advise taking silver (a heavy metal) as an antibiotic. That can certainly be toxic.
Why should it matter the number? "For every person we kill, you kill 100." That's no argument.
There is also the "effective" side of the equation (safe and effective). Many natural "cures" simply are not effective. Again, if we expect big pharma to demonstrate their $100 pill is effective, we should hold Nature House to the same standard.
If the auto industry was selling you airbags, claiming they will protect you in a crash, and they do no such thing, we might expect the long arm of the law to come down on them. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Did you even watch the video?
How did this turn into a debate about natural vs pharma? I suppose it is related, but that wasn't really the point.
The point is that this COdex Alimentarius or whatever is set to become law globally in 2009. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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"Global law" is a criminal fraud  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: |
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some waygug-in wrote: |
Did you even watch the video?
How did this turn into a debate about natural vs pharma? I suppose it is related, but that wasn't really the point.
The point is that this COdex Alimentarius or whatever is set to become law globally in 2009. |
No I didn't watch the video. I really don't care. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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If you don't care, why bother to post in a thread you are too lazy to even figure out what the topic is about?
And in other news...perhaps there is still hope:
http://www.etcgroup.org/en/materials/publications.html?pub_id=619
ETC Group
News Release
3 May 2007
www.etcgroup.org
REVOKED!! Monsanto Monopoly Nixed in Munich
but little joy in foiling soy ploy at this late date
Munich � The European Patent Office today put the brakes on Monsanto�s over-the-top corporate greed by revoking its species-wide patent on all genetically modified soybeans (EP0301749) � a patent unprecedented in its broad scope. ETC Group, an international civil society organization based in Canada, won its 13-year legal challenge against Monsanto�s species-wide soybean patent when an EPO appeal board ruled that the patent was not new or sufficient (i.e., the invention claimed was not sufficiently described for a skilled person to repeat it). The patent challenge was supported by Greenpeace and �No Patents on Life!� Dr. Ricarda Steinbrecher of UK-based EcoNexus also joined the opposition team in Munich as a scientific expert. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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some waygug-in wrote: |
If you don't care, why bother to post in a thread you are too lazy to even figure out what the topic is about? |
Because until "natural health" products are required to face the same rigorous standards as big pharma (proven safe and effective) I don't care how they are "criminalized". |
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supernaut
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Location: Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
some waygug-in wrote: |
If you don't care, why bother to post in a thread you are too lazy to even figure out what the topic is about? |
Because until "natural health" products are required to face the same rigorous standards as big pharma (proven safe and effective) I don't care how they are "criminalized". |
You really don't get the point, it's impossible to test natural products the same way big pharma drugs are tested, because there are huge costs associated to this.
Therefore it is illegal to say that eating fresh tomatoes and apples wll cure you of disease, because no one can afford the costs associated to prove this, then not be able to have a monopoly on the product. You and I can both grow tomatoes in our garden, so a big company cannot take care of this.
THe FDA are crooks, there hasn't been a disease cured since Polio and that was cured by a man who wanted to cure his wife. You can get your bottom dollar that big pharma had mettings after that to be sure it never happened again.
Big Pharma is in the business of seliing drugs, not curing people.
Most natural therapies are basically about eating fresh fruit and veggies and avoiding chemicals we find in multinational pre-packaged type foods. |
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