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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Ethics of posting videos of your students on YouTube |
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For the past year, I have been making amateur videos and putting them up on YouTube.
Some of the videos contain images of my students. One contained images of students who are juniors. Recently, I have been threatened by lawyers from a school to remove the video concerned. I had never realized before that there were any illegalities about posting images of juniors on the internet without parents' permission.
This issue has not involved lawyers from Korea, but in the UK.
I've noticed that there are quite a lot of videos on YouTube by teachers in Korea and elsewhere featuring their students. Personally, I think it's all a bit of harmless fun if the students' identity remains anonymous, but I wonder what particular reasons you would cite to explain why you do put your vids of students on YouTube and whether you've also faced any threat of legal action over them.
Should we be putting videos on YouTube which contain images of our students and schools? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Up to You... |
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| Honestly, it is best and safest to leave the images and video clips of your students out of the eye of the public...With the rampant increase of criminal and civil cases involving child abuse, the watchdogs in most areas of the world are just looking for people to target...This doesn't mean the videos are of that nature, but in the eyes of people who are interested in such things their presumption is that people who are doing these types of documentaries must have some other motive in mine other than what you have indicated...It is your decision, but as for me I think it opens up a can of worms that you would prefer not to deal with...Just my opinion... |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Ask permission before posting it. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The only video I have is of students giving a speech. It was held at a public venue and as far as I'm concerned it's no different than being on "Golden Bell" here in Korea or being in the National Spelling Bee in the U.S.... |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty clearly unethical if it's done without permission. Not sure if it's illegal here--but I bet the lawyers know. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I've had a number of my classes videotaped and photographed by people for this reason or that and the students were never asked. I don't see what difference it makes if I do it myself. My school's website is also full of pics of our students. I've heard all sorts of crap about this from the UK but none here. Basically what the UK is doing is letting the perverts win by letting them control their society. Fool Britannia yet again. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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There sure are a lot of videos posted on youtube. Some schools (even a few crapwons) have posted plenty of propoganda on youtube.  |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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As said, ask permission. I don't know how comfortable I'd feel with a vide of my kid on the internet that I didn't know about, as harmless as it may be but that's just me.
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| as far as I'm concerned it's no different than being on "Golden Bell" here in Korea or being in the National Spelling Bee in the U.S.... |
Of course parents give permission to allow their kids on those programs. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
As said, ask permission. I don't know how comfortable I'd feel with a vide of my kid on the internet that I didn't know about, as harmless as it may be but that's just me.
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| as far as I'm concerned it's no different than being on "Golden Bell" here in Korea or being in the National Spelling Bee in the U.S.... |
Of course parents give permission to allow their kids on those programs. |
Even when they go around to schools? What about School of ... whatever that phone company's name is? I've seen plenty of times when they've brought the cameras into classrooms and shy students are trying to hide their faces, obviously not wanting to be filmed. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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It's the same in the US (well, at least in NY). You're not allowed to post or even take pictures of students without express written permission. If they want to, they could go after you for posting kids' images online. Of course, some people ignore these laws, as they are quite draconian, but the laws are on the books.
OP, why did UK lawyers contact you about Korean kids? How do they have any jurisdiction over Korean affairs? Furthermore, I don't think this is a law in Korea. At no point, in the year and a half I've been in Korea, has anyone EVER asked children, or their parents, for permission to tape them. Mind you, I've been taped for a TV show and the students had no idea it was even happening (so there was certainly no way my school had gotten permission for them to be on film). |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| faster wrote: |
| Pretty clearly unethical if it's done without permission. Not sure if it's illegal here--but I bet the lawyers know. |
I do know. There is a "right to one's image" here in Korea, however that "right" is only protected in the cases of commercial use of someone's image. In a journalistic context (documentary, etc.) they cannot sue. (Well, they can, but they won't win and even then, they have to prove "damages.") Provided you aren't selling the videos as "teaching videos" then there is nothing to worry about. The law is the same one that governs photojournalists. The law is remarkably similar to the ones in the US regarding journalistic use.
As far as ethics, there is nothing unethical about posting videos, provided that you are not using the videos in a commercial context, for instance, if you were making videos and selling them as english lesson videos, THAT would be illegal and unethical, without getting proper permissions. For documentary purposes (i.e journalism) there's no legal or ethical concerns. Of course, the UK laws are possibly different, but if the kids aren't in the UK to file suit, then there is nothing legally concerning.
Anecdotally, I've found the UK laws to be even more liberal regarding the issue than the US or Korea, however, my journalism experience has never taken me to the UK. However, when I worked for Reuters (a UK company) I NEVER had any editor request "permissions" to use a photo.. of course for advertising purposes, the law protects the subject.. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| It's the same in the US (well, at least in NY). You're not allowed to post or even take pictures of students without express written permission. |
That is NOT true. Provided the use is non-commercial (i.e. journalistic) there is no law requiring permission. Of course, there might be a law specifically covering teachers in New York in their classrooms..
In all the years I covered anything dealing with schools, I never once had to get written (or even verbal) permission. I worked for a major news service, if permissions were needed, they would have been all over me about it..
As my previous post suggested however, commercial (i.e advertising or fiction movie/TV) use is an entirely different ballgame. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| How did they find the videos? Remember it's always bad to blog in any capacity using a) your real name b) the name of your place of business. Especially in Korea. |
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bellum99
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the OP is lying about a lawyer contacting him...unless he is a pervert. Why would a lawyer care about some stupid little video unless it was done in a weird way....if he used a title like: "Hot middle school girls that rock your world", then he should be having some trouble. I think there are some perverts in Korea ( I have met 2 so far) and would not allow my child to be put on the net by some academy teacher. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
| I think the OP is lying about a lawyer contacting him...unless he is a pervert. Why would a lawyer care about some stupid little video unless it was done in a weird way....if he used a title like: "Hot middle school girls that rock your world", then he should be having some trouble. I think there are some perverts in Korea ( I have met 2 so far) and would not allow my child to be put on the net by some academy teacher. |
Whether or not it's legal (to post videos/pics.), I agree with you, I'd never let a teacher post stuff of my kid. If the teacher were doing it, I'd find a subtle way to convince them otherwise.
However, in Korea, foreigners are treated like objects or circus attractions, so I suppose it's karma for the kiddies to be on youtube. |
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