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Karamazov
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: Advice needed: how useful is a diploma of education? |
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Hi! I am just looking for a bit of advice.... I am hoping to spend next year teaching in Korea, but I'm not really sure what sort of job I should be aiming for.
I do not have any specific ESL qualifications, but I have done a BA and by the end of this year i will have finished my graduate Diploma of Education, and will be a qualified secondary teacher. I have looked around on the net for a while trying to work out what value a dip. ed. would be seen to have by a Korean employer, and what sort of positions it would make me eligible for, but I haven't really been able to find anything. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations? How would a recruiter or employer rank an diploma of education against a TESL certificate or equivalent? What sort of job/contract should I be aiming for?
Thanks!
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spliff
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Karamazov
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eh?
Spliff: should i take this to imply that this qualification is not worth much over there? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Your diploma of education will qualify you for nothing but international schools in Korea. Apart from international schools your dip. ed. won't qualify you for anything that your BA wouldn't, and an MA in any field would be much more valued for any TEFL job for which there was some competition. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you mean bachelor of education non? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you mean bachelor of education non? |
In many countries one can become a qualified school teacher by doing either a BEd. or a bachalor's degree plus a post-graduate certificate. Some places even require the latter to teach secondary school. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed: how useful is a diploma of education? |
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| Karamazov wrote: |
Hi! I am just looking for a bit of advice.... I am hoping to spend next year teaching in Korea, but I'm not really sure what sort of job I should be aiming for.
I do not have any specific ESL qualifications, but I have done a BA and by the end of this year i will have finished my graduate Diploma of Education, and will be a qualified secondary teacher. I have looked around on the net for a while trying to work out what value a dip. ed. would be seen to have by a Korean employer, and what sort of positions it would make me eligible for, but I haven't really been able to find anything. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations? How would a recruiter or employer rank an diploma of education against a TESL certificate or equivalent? What sort of job/contract should I be aiming for?
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In the public school system it will bump you up a level.
In a hakwon it is worth what you can negotiate for it. Usually is has no cash value in a hakwon (if you are a newbie).
If you have K-experience it can make a significant difference in your pocket. (as in your 2nd or 3rd year here). |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed: how useful is a diploma of education? |
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| Karamazov wrote: |
Hi! I am just looking for a bit of advice.... I am hoping to spend next year teaching in Korea, but I'm not really sure what sort of job I should be aiming for.
I do not have any specific ESL qualifications, but I have done a BA and by the end of this year i will have finished my graduate Diploma of Education, and will be a qualified secondary teacher. I have looked around on the net for a while trying to work out what value a dip. ed. would be seen to have by a Korean employer, and what sort of positions it would make me eligible for, but I haven't really been able to find anything. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations? How would a recruiter or employer rank an diploma of education against a TESL certificate or equivalent? What sort of job/contract should I be aiming for?
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In the public school system it will bump you up a level.
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Not necessarily. There's a guy in my school district with over 20 years experience teaching in America and two in Korea. Ya-ta Boy worked in my district after about 20 years teaching in America and 10 in Korea. Both got / get the same base salary as a 22-year-old uni grad who's never had a job before. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Advice needed: how useful is a diploma of education? |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Karamazov wrote: |
Hi! I am just looking for a bit of advice.... I am hoping to spend next year teaching in Korea, but I'm not really sure what sort of job I should be aiming for.
I do not have any specific ESL qualifications, but I have done a BA and by the end of this year i will have finished my graduate Diploma of Education, and will be a qualified secondary teacher. I have looked around on the net for a while trying to work out what value a dip. ed. would be seen to have by a Korean employer, and what sort of positions it would make me eligible for, but I haven't really been able to find anything. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations? How would a recruiter or employer rank an diploma of education against a TESL certificate or equivalent? What sort of job/contract should I be aiming for?
Thanks! |
In the public school system it will bump you up a level.
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Not necessarily. There's a guy in my school district with over 20 years experience teaching in America and two in Korea. Ya-ta Boy worked in my district after about 20 years teaching in America and 10 in Korea. Both got / get the same base salary as a 22-year-old uni grad who's never had a job before. |
They started at level 3 and 1.8 mil? I truely find that hard to believe.
Even with the new contracts a newbie starts at 2 mil and gets a bump up for BEd or TESOL cert to a level 2 and 2.2 mil.
Why would they be willing to start/work for the same salary/benefits as a lvl. 3 newbie?
Even the old EPIK contracts gave a bump up for BEd/dipEd or verifiable classroom experience. |
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kingtout
Joined: 03 May 2007
Location: ROK...again...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
| I think you mean bachelor of education non? |
In many countries one can become a qualified school teacher by doing either a BEd. or a bachalor's degree plus a post-graduate certificate. Some places even require the latter to teach secondary school. |
Yup. In fact, in the US, it is a small minority of teachers that have an underdrad "Education" major. It's just an undergrad major. Most US teachers are post-grad certified. Most, if not all States even require undergrad Ed majors to get post-grad certified. Just as someone going into Law School can have pretty much any undergrad major. Certification is what "really" counts in these States.
I don't know why this confuses Canadians and Koreans so, but it does, as I'm dealing with both in trying to land a job making more than a measley 2.2. |
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spliff
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Even with the new contracts a newbie starts at 2 mil and gets a bump up for BEd or TESOL cert to a level 2 and 2.2 mil |
Two yrs proven experience gives ya a bump as well. |
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Karamazov
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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thanks guys. I gather that my dip ed ain't going to help me much.... but perhaps its worth me looking into the public system? is that organised through EPIK? are these the "new" contracts that ttompatz refers to?
(to clear up any confusion, here in Australia a lot of teachers undertake a graduate diploma after an undergrad degree (usually BA) - the undergrad majors taken determine the areas of teaching qualification.) |
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ttompatz
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thanks guys. I gather that my dip ed ain't going to help me much.... but perhaps its worth me looking into the public system? is that organised through EPIK? are these the "new" contracts that ttompatz refers to?
(to clear up any confusion, here in Australia a lot of teachers undertake a graduate diploma after an undergrad degree (usually BA) - the undergrad majors taken determine the areas of teaching qualification.) |
There are 3 major government programs for hiring foreign teachers from abroad - SMOE / ETIS (Seoul city), GEPIK (Gyeonggi province - surrounding Seoul city), EPIK (essentially the rest of Korea).
The details are all here - check the FAQs. |
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Lao Wai
Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: East Coast Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
| I think you mean bachelor of education non? |
In many countries one can become a qualified school teacher by doing either a BEd. or a bachalor's degree plus a post-graduate certificate. Some places even require the latter to teach secondary school. |
Yup. In fact, in the US, it is a small minority of teachers that have an underdrad "Education" major. It's just an undergrad major. Most US teachers are post-grad certified. Most, if not all States even require undergrad Ed majors to get post-grad certified. Just as someone going into Law School can have pretty much any undergrad major. Certification is what "really" counts in these States.
I don't know why this confuses Canadians and Koreans so, but it does, as I'm dealing with both in trying to land a job making more than a measley 2.2. |
Well, I think the reason Canadians are confused is because there are variations in education degrees within our own country. For example, my friend, who is from BC, did a 5 year education degree and now has a BEd. I did a 4 year BA and then got a one year post graduate degree...also called a BEd. I think my degree is a bit of a misnomer. I think it should be called a PGDE (Post Graduate Diploma in Education) as in the U.K. because that's exactly what it is. |
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kingtout
Joined: 03 May 2007
Location: ROK...again...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| Lao Wai wrote: |
| kingtout wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
| I think you mean bachelor of education non? |
In many countries one can become a qualified school teacher by doing either a BEd. or a bachalor's degree plus a post-graduate certificate. Some places even require the latter to teach secondary school. |
Yup. In fact, in the US, it is a small minority of teachers that have an underdrad "Education" major. It's just an undergrad major. Most US teachers are post-grad certified. Most, if not all States even require undergrad Ed majors to get post-grad certified. Just as someone going into Law School can have pretty much any undergrad major. Certification is what "really" counts in these States.
I don't know why this confuses Canadians and Koreans so, but it does, as I'm dealing with both in trying to land a job making more than a measley 2.2. |
Well, I think the reason Canadians are confused is because there are variations in education degrees within our own country. For example, my friend, who is from BC, did a 5 year education degree and now has a BEd. I did a 4 year BA and then got a one year post graduate degree...also called a BEd. I think my degree is a bit of a misnomer. I think it should be called a PGDE (Post Graduate Diploma in Education) as in the U.K. because that's exactly what it is. |
I see. So it's the same really in Canada and the States, just not as common. The problem is, many higher paying Korean jobs just put "We Want BEd" assuming that is certification in and of itself.
Instead of requesting a certain undergrad major, Korean schools that want certified teachers should put "We want Certified Teachers" in their ads. That would alay the confusion. |
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