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Currency and gold trading- worth it?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Currency and gold trading- worth it? Reply with quote

My boss right now says that gold is the way to go...
The price right now is as high as it has ever been and it will only get higher....

And I am VERY curious about cerrency trading; which currency would be a good long term investment?

Some people have their eyes on the Euro, but I am not so sure.....
When I was in Kuwait, the KWD was trading at $3.45/1 dinar and it would be a cool investment as long as the oil doesn't dry up anytime soon.

And then what about a currency accounts at KEB, do you think it would be good to stash some cash away in US$?

Any suggestions on either gold and currency investment would be keen and helpful

Thanks and Cheers in advance Wink
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tyleranthony



Joined: 17 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've done some small-scale currency trading before when I was living in england and the dollar was getting murdered by the pound... in an attempt to mitigate the daily a$$ pounding i received whenever i engaged in an economic exchange. didn't really make a difference in the long run...the time i spent doing the research on the currency, economic forecasts, etc., compared to the money I actually made, ended up being pennies.

the only way(s) i can really see this being a worthwhile pursuit is if a) you've got some serious coin to throw around (bare minimum $10k of totally disposable income), or b) you're looking for a long-term investment, or c) you're ridiculously savvy with global currency markets. in fact you probably need to satisfy all three.

i guess gold would be the way to go in comparison to currency...but even with rapid growth expected...i would never invest in anything thats at it's highest price of all time. but, it's your money...
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only information you need to know to be a succesful speculator in currencies and commodities:


Are you a gambler?

and

Do you feel lucky? (Well, do you, punk?)
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bobbyhanlon



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't do it.
people always hear stories about how fortunes are being made in stocks, futures, forex, etc etc. and want to try it themselves. believe me, trading is difficult and unless you have some amazing natural talent for it, you are just setting yourself up for trouble. the average investor is better off leaving trading to the professionals and just buying mutual funds or something.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sine qua non wrote:
The only information you need to know to be a succesful speculator in currencies and commodities:


Are you a gambler?

and

Do you feel lucky? (Well, do you, punk?)



Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Zoobot



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyleranthony summed up most of my thoughts on this subject. I would prefer to trade in commodities than currencies. Staying on top of currencies is a lot of work. Things like copper are always needed and they are more stable. Gold is way to expensive right now. God is pretty expensive too. If you bought it three years ago, you'd be laughing.

I still think the safest investment is real estate baby.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoobot wrote:
God is pretty expensive too. If you bought it three years ago, you'd be laughing.


Hasn't G-d always been pretty expensive?

Quote:
I still think the safest investment is real estate baby.


There are pluses and minuses to all investments. I don't think there is one sure fire place to put all of your money. T-bills are the safest, but have minimal return. Real estate can be good, but it doesn't have very good liquidity. Stocks have the liquidity and return, but aren't really tangible. The key is diversity. IMO.
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Trumpcard



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOU MUST demo trade and learn!!!!!!!! seriously for all things currencies, BY FAR the best resource on the web is at www.forexfactory.com also read an ebook called Bird Watching In Lion Country US$1.9 TRILLION changes hands every day in the global currency markets which operate 24hours a day..........

trust me. learn price action and DEMO DEMO DEMO DEMO TRADE!

stock investing and discussion and analysis www.incrediblecharts.com

all things gold: www.kitco.com

happy trading Smile
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tyleranthony



Joined: 17 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demo trading is a good way to learn the ins-and-outs of currency trading- stop losses, take profits, etc... i currently toy around occasionally with fxtrade/oanda...they don't even allow you to trade in KRW in practice mode...may be different with other demo sites.
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nwise



Joined: 22 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've traded proffessionally for myself. Not currency, but stocks. Funny as it may sound to people, there is a lot of psychology involved. Demo trading will no insure that you can make the correct decision emotionally, ie to cut yoru loss/pyramid a gain/take a profit, etc. when there is real money on the table.

All in all, I would suggest, from 7 or so years of experience that:

1. You not trade; or,
2. demo trade as suggested, but, before using "real money";
2. Open a mini account, I think you can get one funded for as little as 300 usd. Fund it with the least possible as that will ensure you cannot lose more than a few hundred dollars. After you lose a few hundred dollars, instead of thousands, you can re-evaluate what you are doing correctly, incorrectly.

BTW-the problem with currency traing is the leverage. Very much a two edged sword.

Good luck. You can make more money in trading than in any other profssion in the world. But, it is a profession and you are trading against the smartest people in the world - who want your money.
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Trumpcard



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psychology, correct money management, risk management, a profitable system are all required for trading success. and all can be learned for free!
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gmat



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to trade, you must not get married to your position. No matter what your timeframe is for trading, if a position goes against you you must get out or reverse your position. trends can last for a long time, so you need to surrender quickly if a position moves against you.

IMO: Currency futures are a much better option than trading spot currencies (FX) because the bid/ask spread will kill you in FX even if your broker claims there is no commission to trade FX.

Futures (including currency futures) have extremely tight spreads, and commissions are dirt cheap these days.

I like stock index futures (mini-S&P, mini-dow jones, etc..) more than individual stocks for trading because you only need to focus on a few charts as opposed to looking at hundreds of individual charts for stock trading. In addition, the tax treatment of futures is much better than for stock trading.

check out the CME (www.cme.com) or CBOT (www.cbot.com) websites for more info/education on futures trading.
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmat wrote:
check out the CME (www.cme.com) or CBOT (www.cbot.com) websites for more info/education on futures trading.


Yeah, your post was right on and informative, but the problem with futures is that you have to find a broker. Then you have to confirm that the broker you find handles the futures contracts for the particular currencies you want to trade.

I looked through this a few months back after the Korean won contract first started trading.
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gmat



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broker: very easy just open an account with Interactive Brokers (IB). A little time consuming getting the account set up, but it has a very good platform with cheap commissions. It is a HUGE company, I believe it is the number one choice for professional, retail traders. www.interactivebrokers.com

You can trade everything with IB if you choose - futures, stocks, options, currencies. I only trade a limited number of instruments (futures), but everything is available.

FOR NEWBIES, PLEASE NOTE THAT LEVERAGE IN FUTURES CAN BE HUGE, BUT I RECOMMEND $10,000 in your account for each contract traded. DO NOT USE Excessive leverage or your money will disappear fast. With more experience you can start to increase leverage (say $5000 per contract traded)
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmat wrote:
Broker: very easy just open an account with Interactive Brokers (IB).


I was going to recommend them, but I haven't traded much with them. A little back in the late 90's, but I never really had time to monitor my positions, so I closed out my account. Commissions are dirt cheap and they seem to have a pretty good interface. I plan on opening a new account in the near future.

Ditto on the leverage. Don't push it. Even relying on stock margins (2:1) is risky. Future and option leverage can be deadly. Don't be swayed by systems promising easy money.
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