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Abashiri
Joined: 19 Dec 2003
Location: Vancouver
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 Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Thinking about becoming a recruiter. |
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Just wondering how much do recruiters charge schools to get instructors?
Thanks a lot |
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| a million won or so.... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Thinking about becoming a recruiter. |
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| Abashiri wrote: |
Just wondering how much do recruiters charge schools to get instructors?
Thanks a lot |
Public schools pay 900k each.
Hakwons vary depending on location and volume. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you get into this business. Do you need a lisecne at all, or is it just a Korean thing you can do. I have an f-2-1 so no immigration worries. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| shaunew wrote: |
| How do you get into this business. Do you need a lisecne at all, or is it just a Korean thing you can do. I have an f-2-1 so no immigration worries. |
You (or any other KOREAN for that matter) need your local business licence and PERMISSION from the immigration office to become a LEGAL recruiter in Korea.
The paperwork process takes about a month, start to finish to complete. |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote
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| You (or any other KOREAN for that matter) need your local business licence and PERMISSION from the immigration office to become a LEGAL recruiter in Korea. |
How does one get a local business licence? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| VirginIslander wrote: |
ttompatz wrote
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| You (or any other KOREAN for that matter) need your local business licence and PERMISSION from the immigration office to become a LEGAL recruiter in Korea. |
How does one get a local business licence? |
You need approval from both the Tax Office and the related Ministry. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Before lusting over dollar signs of a new prospective business, take the time to read some of the dark sides to the business that you'll have to get used to:
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I feel that all people can post whatever they like, how ever they like, and for whatever they like, but I just notice that you have a lot of different threads on acquiring feedback on recruiters. Not the usual, 'who is good', 'who do you recommend', but more of 'how can they service you better', 'what would a good recruiter do?'. As if you are drafting up business models for getting into the racket.
That's fine, if you are, and I commend you with soliciting teacher feedback, beforehand.
But, as an ex-recruiter, I caution you about getting into this, if you are considering it. It takes a certain person to do it. And I thought that I was that person. Having the enthusiasm to help others won't be enough. Sheer aspiration to make money isn't enough. Not unless you are willing to compromise your values as a person.
I can go on in length, but for every one great match-up that you make with a good school and good teacher, you've got 2 or 3 other horror stories. And they build up and eat away at you over time. Being asked by a director, 'hmm..his picture looks good, but I can only see his face. Is he fat? Can you please call him and ask if he is fat?'. Things like that wear on you. Or a university saying 'wow, this guy has a MA TESOL from an ivy league school, has 4 yrs ESL experience in Korea, great references, but...his picture...hmm, don't you think he looks a little angry expression? I think we'll take the 24yr old girl with no experience and the nice smile.' or the teacher that you call and interview while sitting next to the hogwan director and you explain all of the job details, which he agrees to, and comes over here and realizes that he doesn't like the gig after all, and tells half the town and blames it all on you for saying that I originally told him that it was supposed to be a proof-reading gig? Sorry guy, that was one of the other 10 recruiters that you got me mixed up with.
Or the guy from England that you actually decide to check references on, and call up the UK teacher association he listed as being a part of, and they say that he has been banned from the association due to sexual misconduct in the classroom. So you politely take a pass on him and he emails you a week later saying that he landed a job in Jinhae teaching kindy kids.
Or the guy that you speak with, and after 3-4 phone calls and several emails, you decide to represent him to a school. He shows up and he turns out to have an extreme case of OCD and comes to class 2 hours early to sanitize the classroom and desks, and berates the Korean teachers for not checking the locks on the doors and windows of each classroom, after each lesson.
Or the school that renegs on paying you the commission that they agreed to pay you, because the teacher is shorter than what he appeared to be in their picture. I suppose they wanted to pay per centimeter or something.
The couple that is in financial dire straits that you help out, let them stay in your bed, while you sleep on the couch, while you line up work, only for them to turn down 4 jobs due to schools not providing 2 bedroom apartments, which they were adamant over. Then you find them the 2 bedroom apartment gig, and they run 2 months later, because they want to start a job in China.
Or finding a perfect teacher for a school that requested for the teacher to fax the signed contract before couriering it along with his documents, and his fax machine went on the the fritz for a day, and wasn't able to send it right away. They took a pass on him, despite a flurry of calls in Korean and English to explain the situation.
Or you have a teacher sign with a school, send her documents to the school, get the visa sponsorship letter back from immigration and the same day receive an email that she wants to cancel and go to the school that her friend works at, who is now hiring, and leaving you holding your *beep* in your hands.
Or the good, sweet teacher that you introduce to a good school, she signs, start the documents through immigration, and another recruiter sees her old profile on a job site, swoops in, hard-sells her and convinces her to cancel and go to the school that he is peddling.
I got more...about schools, recruiters, and teachers. These cases are not once in awhile, either. Everyday is different. Being service-oriented to teachers is the easy part. Having your personal values degraded before your eyes and seeing how long you can compromise yourself, is the hard part.
Kudos to the ones that operate a small tight operation with a few good tolerable schools and good resource of teachers. You still have to deal with the *beep*, but you can keep it contained by doing it P/T and sporadically, to complement your day job.
Thankless job? Well, I'd say more wasteful job than anything. Although I retained some good recruiting contacts that I made, to help me find my current job and some side work, I'd rather leave it to others to do. If you want to help people, you'd find more rewards in teaching free lessons at the orphanages all over Korea.
Sorry for the rant. It was long overdue for me to get that out since I gave up the biz, and I just want to give you or anyone the flipside of recruiting, in the event that you are qualifying it as a business venture. |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=373298 |
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