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[n3ptne]

You know... it pains me to see how stupid people can be, or, how easily people can be cajooled into believing that other people are stupid.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is standing up and saying what a dismal job Bush is doing in Iraq, and how the US is getting their ass kicked.

But, exactly how is that opinion being based? Personally I think its just a regurgitation of what the media says.

The facts are that Bush is doing exactly what he wants to do, despite a change in Congress, and that he is getting exactly what he wants to get out of the war.

The war, by comparison, is cheaper than Vietnam was (GDP/inflation), and is hardly comparable with the former's casualty rate.

He, basically, achieved total success in the first two weeks of the war, and by that I mean he overthrew the existing government, disrupted the national military, and physically took possession of every major facet of Iraq's infastructure.

Time, and time again we've seen the images of top US Generals claiming that they had no idea the insurgent levels would be this high, and that they were expecting a hero's welcome.

That's bullshit.

Don't be a fool and believe what they're telling you. They knew from day one what this was going to be like, and if you honestly believe the "classified documents" that have been released to the press mirror the actual classified documents, than I don't even know what to say to you.

Corporate America, and it's interests abroad (in Europe), are getting exactly what they want to get out of this war. And, in the end it is probably going to end exactly like Vietnam.

America, and it's "willing" allies will leave.

Economic sanctions will cause more deaths than bullets for the next decade.

In the end, they will (just like Vietnam did) capitulate to Western economic practices.

This model has been used, successfully, and reoccurringly, since the end of WW2. And, it will continue to be used so long as people are ignorant enough to believe that the US is "losing".

It isn't losing. It is fighting what should be called the most successful war in history, and it is going exactly how the US wants it to go.

To think that the immediate objective in Iraq is peace, or stability, is the most dangerous lunacy imaginable.

[RACETRAITOR]

The big mistake is Bush started out declaring a war on terror, he invaded a major source of it (Afghanistan), and then he chose a completely unrelated target. I think it's made the war on terror a lot worse, and created a new society consumed by terrorism. Whatever you thought about Hussein before, at least there wasn't terrorism in Iraq.

[n3ptne]

[RACETRAITOR]

It's the equivalent of declaring war on the Phillippines because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

[n3ptne]

I'm not disagreeing with your analogy, or your appeal to the the question of righteousness.

...but, it can't be a mistake if the result was intended.

[RACETRAITOR]

[JMO]

So what you are saying is this. America invaded Iraq to overthrow the goverment witht the knowledge that they would have to pull out under insurgent pressure eventually. After ten years or so Iraq will succumb(to economic sanctions)and become a capitalist country like Vietnam(in many ways is).

Have I missed anything?

Well I have a few questions. Why would there be economic sanctions imposed on the next Iraqi goverment? Why would you compare an oil rich/muslim country to a poor/communist country? Why would you assume the same pattern would repeat itself in two such different countries?

You also seem to be implying that the economic cost of wars such as Vietnam are offset by the new markets being opened. Also you seem to think that there is a coherent strategy though several decades and many different administrations.


So all in all I have to include that this is actually a delightfully sarcastic take on the complete idiocy of American foreign policy. Well done sir.

[twg]

It all makes perfect sense!

The Korean war happened so all of us could be here dining on kimchi! World War 2 was fought solely to make sushi and Volkswagons widely available! And the American War of Independence happened so we could get The Beatles!

Amazing, n3ptne!

I think I have to go lie down and try to wrap my head around this brilliant expose of what originally looked like a war based on short-term political goals turning out to be intensely clever, long-term plan to send ESL teachers to the middle east!

[Qinella]

[RACETRAITOR]

[dmbfan]

[RACETRAITOR]

[dmbfan]

Well, look at the Muslim population in those countries.................

Do you really think those governments wanted to piss of their muslim communities? I mean, think how radical they got over that cartoon that was printed last year..............


dmbfan

[sojourner1]

Yes, once America secures the middle easy, (not so easy, yet) I am ready to go teach or work for $80,000 US a year over there. Do I smell great career opportunity in the next several years? Possibly.

When the US has it set up for Iraqis to start building wealth through enterprising like Korea and Germany are doing, then they will love America and be more open to Westernization. When this happens, then yes, the bloody war in Iraq will be won. Because of insurgency, it is not yet secure enough to set up shop for new business ventures, jobs, and export products. We already know that if and when we stabilize Iraq, oil export is the first process in building it back up through giving them a chance to make a living and have a free market Westernized society.

Kind of off topic: I understand you can go today to Iraq and the Middle East to teach English for very high pay now if you have a master�s degree and a few years ESL experience. I am just ambivelent right now about taking 2 years off to study.

Americas next frontier of bloody wars and developing new capital markets: Africa

[VanIslander]

from a Bush perspective he is winning...

record oil prices for an oil company family

record military arms purchases for one of the biggest supporting lobby groups of the Republican Party

a second-term presidency built on fear and a nationwide sense of loyalty during a time of war