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[Big_Bird]

US Muslims more assimilated than British

[cosmo]

Thank you kindly for the the link to the article in The Guardian website. I tagged it.

So a substantial percentage of Muslims in America believe in "fowl play."

In the event you find additonal articles of this psychotic nature, do share.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2085998,00.html
Farid Senzai said: "The news overall is overwhelmingly positive.

But the survey, called Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream,
found that 8% of American Muslims regard suicide bombings against civilian targets as justified.

But the poll showed that among American Muslims under 30, sympathy for suicide bombings jumped to 30%.

Support for violence was high too among African-American Muslims,
who also tend to be among the most disaffected with their economic and social position.

[ChimpumCallao]

Duh.

1) Basically ALL American immigrants are more assimilated than European ones. American is a concept- but British, French, Dutch is still thought of as an ethnicity. It's much easier to be accepted in a country with no true ethnicity and much greater cultural, ethnic, and racial diversity.

2) Besides that, America is a much freer market and most of our immigrants actually work, instead of living off the dole and being completely unemployable. This is t both Europe's fault- being s blatantly racist when choosing people that hire, and the Muslims ease into just taking their victim status and feeling they deserve this welfare system. When someone is busy making money, as most are in the States, they are also too busy to hatch out terrorist schemes or breed much contempt for the great Satan.

3) America, because it requires air travel, gets a richer better educated set of Muslim immigrants. Hence the same reason why, say, South American immigrants beat the pants off the Mexicans in terms of economic growth and class mobility in America. The playing field was already uneven- if you need to take a plane, you have some sort of money- meaning you probably have some sort of skill.

On a personal note, an anecdote I always like to point out is this. In all my travels whenever an American asks me where I'm from and I say I'm American- they smile and jab and joke away. They treat me 100% like an American- no exeption. EVERY SINGLE European when hearing I was American has always said the following.

1) But where are you originally from?
or
2) But you look Arabic/Spanish/French/Italian/Latin/Eastern European!
or
3)Really? BUt you don't look it!

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[cosmo]

America must not ignore a dangerous percentage
By Diana West
Friday, May 25, 2007
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DianaWest/2007/05/25/america_must_not_ignore_a_dangerous_percentage&Comments=true
According to Pew, the total Muslim population in America is 2.35 million, 30 percent of whom are between 18 and 29.
By my figuring, the suicide-bomb-approving cohort works out to 183,000 people.
The poll also tells us that 69 percent of younger American Muslims say suicide bombings are never justified.
69 percent in this particular case is wholly inadequate; indeed, a strikingly poor showing.

Why?

According to Pew's data, one-quarter of younger American Muslims approve of the presence of skin-ripping, skull-crushing, organ-piercing violence in civilian life as a religious imperative -- "in defense of Islam."

[cosmo]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/peering_through_a_glass_halffu.html
May 25, 2007
Peering Through A Glass Half-Full, Darkly
By Kathleen Parker

What a relief to read in a new Pew Research Center study that Muslims in America are "largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world."

Phew. Praise Allah. No more worries.

Sixty percent of the young group consider themselves Muslim first, American second. Among all young Muslims, 26 percent think that suicide bombings are justified often, sometimes or rarely. Another 5 percent said they "don't know" or refused to answer.

Don't know? To kill civilians or not to kill civilians is not a tricky question.

If 26 percent are fine with suicide bombing and another 5 percent probably are, then we may reasonably conclude that 31 percent of young American Muslims -- or roughly 219,000 -- support murdering innocents in the name of Islam. Peachy. Given that 9/11 was a supersized suicide bombing, it would seem we have a problem.

All of the study's conclusions depend, meanwhile, on whether one trusts its population figures, which Pew warns should be interpreted with caution. Since this was a telephone survey using only landlines -- and given that 48 percent of Americans age 18-29 use cells phones exclusively -- the number of young Muslims could be much higher than estimated. The truth is, no one knows how many Muslims live in the U.S. because the Census Bureau doesn't ask about religious identity. Muslim organizations put the figure at closer to 7 million based on mosque attendance.

If there are 7 million Muslims in the U.S., 30 percent of whom are young, 31 percent of whom do not forswear suicide bombings, then that could mean that as many as 651,000 young Muslim Americans sympathize with radical Islam and terrorism.

All things considered, it may be too soon to celebrate Muslim assimilation. Let's do hold the fireworks.

[cosmo]

A HAIR-RAISING POLL
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232007/postopinion/editorials/a_hair_raising_poll_editorials_.htm
May 23, 2007 -- It's hard not to be troubled by a new poll that suggests that as many as one in four young American Muslims condones suicide bombings against civilians, at least sometimes.

That equates to about 117,000 Muslims between ages 18 and 29. Another 6 percent of those aged 30 and over - that is, 63,000 more - likewise say terror strikes at times may be OK.

"It is a hair-raising number," says Radwan Masmoudi, of the Center for Islam and Democracy, referring to U.S. Muslim support for suicide attacks. (Masmoudi's group promotes efforts to reconcile Islam with democratic culture.)

He's absolutely right.

Indeed, the findings, released by the Pew Research Center, constitute a strong warning about the need for vigilance on the homefront.

* About 5 percent said they have "favorable" views of al Qaeda. (How many more backed the terror group but declined to admit it? Indeed, another 25 percent didn't answer the question.)

* Only four in 10 American Muslims say they believe Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks.

* About half consider themselves Muslims primarily, rather than Americans.

Clearly, radical strands have gotten a toehold in American Muslim culture. And that poses considerable challenges for America - and for its Muslim community.

This nation depends on well-meaning Muslims not only to be law-enforcement's eyes and ears into their community, but also to discourage fellow Muslims, particularly the young, from embracing militant ideology.

Just this week, a Harlem-born Muslim, Rafiq Abdus Sabir, a former doctor, was convicted, with two others, of aiding terror in offering to treat wounded jihadis. American Muslims were also involved in the Fort Dix Six terror plot.

Clearly, the nation can neglect the challenges this poll presents only at its peril.

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[Big_Bird]

[thepeel]

Ah yes, muslim extremism is a result of racism.

1) If it were Tibetans who were the focus of this "hate" from British society, how would the outcomes be different?

2) The majority bombers and wannabe bombers in the UK were from middle class, educated families.

3) Pakistan itself is likely the most radicalized muslim nation after Saudi. Pakistani Brits are indoctrinated by the ethnic brethren in Pakistan. While as any good Western leftist, she (bb) wants to blame her own society for this, this one she can actually direct at America. Stop the support of musharef (sp) and let them kill eachother in an attempt to establish power.

4) islam has been, for the vast majority if its history, violently expansionist. The current-day violent acts of muslim hate are part of a long history of established pattern of killing kuffar. We don't pretend that Christianity has a history of puppy dogs and roses, so lets not pretend that islamic history isn't as close to reading evil that one can find (outside of perhaps, um, the other major monotheisms).

5) bigbird doesn't have a bloody clue. Not a clue.

[Big_Bird]

[Big_Bird]

[cosmo]

AFAIK, only the greatest of birds hide their head in the sand.