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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: Canada's man against Darwin |
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BIG VALLEY, Alta. - Refuting more than 100 years of received evolutionary science is no easy task. It is especially challenging when all you've got is a 900-square-foot creationist museum in the Alberta countryside to prove that the Book of Genesis better explains our origins than the Darwinian model generally accepted as fact by the world's scientific community.
But Harry Nibourg, the man behind Canada's first creationist museum, insists he has enough proof collected in this small house, in this town of 400, to do it.
He rarely allows himself the luxury even of finishing a sentence before he's on to his next compelling point about why evolutionary scientists are, well, just plain wrong.
"They're wrong. They won't admit they're wrong. And that's OK. They have the right to be wrong," Mr. Nibourg says.
With so much to set straight on the matter, and so many to set straight, the last thing it seems Mr. Nibourg wants to do is fritter precious time discussing his museum, the four years of his life he dedicated to building it, or the money he spent -- nearly all of it his own -- to fund it. He has bigger priorities.
"I need you to listen to these," he says, the moment you walk in the door, pointing to a wall of telephone handsets connected to a DVD presentation.
The four-minute video features a 3-D computer animation of how a protozoa's propulsion system works, while a narrator explains why the intricate complexity proves the existence of an intelligent designer.
The instant the show is over, Mr. Nibourg is asking, "What do you think? Did it get you thinking?" before immediately urging you toward the next exhibit.
A moment later, it's on to a display debunking the Miller-Urey experiment, believed to demonstrate how atmospheric conditions on early Earth allowed for life-creating conditions. Or so evolutionists would have us believe.
"Every chemical in this experiment, mixed together, is detrimental to the living organism. So you're telling me this is going to happen? C'mon, buddy. I don't have any PhDs, but it's pretty sad when an uneducated layman has to bring the evidence out."
An oil field worker who spends 10 days at a stretch operating compressors north of Slave Lake, and six days off toiling on his museum at home, Mr. Nibourg -- who describes himself as a "high-tech redneck" -- says he's "passionate about this for the simple reason that people should be able to be exposed to both sides of the story."
Years ago, he, too, was content with evolutionary explanations, until a friend showed him some creationist videos.
"And I said, 'Hey, what's going on here?' And so I started looking at them ... and I came to realize that they're both faiths ... |
That sounds like dd. The intellectual equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?!?"
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But I started looking at which faith fits the facts and which faith fails the facts and the more I looked into them ? I was getting more answers from the creation evidence."
He hasn't kept track of all he's invested, though he estimates around $300,000. Had it not been for freebies and discounts on labour and materials from sympathetic suppliers, the cost might have been three times that.
A fraction of the size and scope of the US$27-million creationist attraction opened this week in Kentucky, Mr. Nibourg's exhibit does an admirable job of mimicking the academic presentation of larger museums.
There is neither the floor space nor budget for virtual reality experiences, light shows or animatronics. But visitors might enjoy seeing a giant-sized model of a DNA strand (with explanations of why genetic mutation is innately unnatural) and a big plastic Ammonite and Coelacanth (the deepdiving shellfish to demonstrate that such "carefully designed" organisms could not be the product of "random evolution;" the lobefinned fish, wrongly thought to have gone extinct 70 million years ago, to prove the erroneousness of many evolutionary assertions).
A wall of displays featuring models of stalactites, "fossilized" teddy bears and iron pots discovered in million-year-old rock formations supposedly undermine scientific assumptions about geological ageing.
There is a mahogany model of Noah's Ark, complete with answers to frequently asked questions about the flood-rescue operation, including, "How did they keep the lions from eating the sheep?" (Noah stuck mostly with baby animals and fed them plants), and "Did Noah bring dinosaurs?" (Yes).
There is a giant version of the protozoa's flagellum, with a working crank for visitors to test drive the Master Designer's master handiwork. And everywhere, dinosaurs -- which, we're informed, lived on Earth as recently as a few hundred years ago.
There's a basketful of dinosaur eggs and photos of ancient drawings of dinosaurs (indicating our ancestors must have laid eyes on the terrible lizards). And three-toed dino-prints, all over the lawn and the floor of the museum.
"It's really just for the kids," Mr. Nibourg finally pauses to explain. "The kids like the dinosaurs."
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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=62787a4f-ed9c-44e4-8ae2-94ba26074eb1
And the religious like imaginary friends and childish explanations of the cosmos.
I'm embarrassed to be from the same province as this guy. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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BIG VALLEY, Alta.
No offense meant to Albertans, but I knew it the moment I saw the title. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder what his sock is on this forum? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| I wonder what his sock is on this forum? |
IGTG? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Canada's man against Darwin |
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| BJWD wrote: |
And the religious like imaginary friends and childish explanations of the cosmos.
I'm embarrassed to be from the same province as this guy. |
Have you ever stopped to think he might be embarassed to be from the same province as you? Just a thought... |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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I can't wait to go visit this museum. I'd like to hear "what his answers are".
I can picture it now: "It's so unlikely; therefore it's false".
foolish foolish logic to take down a theory based on variation and chance. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
I can't wait to go visit this museum. I'd like to hear "what his answers are".
I can picture it now: "It's so unlikely; therefore it's false".
foolish foolish logic to take down a theory based on variation and chance. |
This is what happens when laypeople start trying to be scientists. It applies equally to uneducated rednecks from the Albertan countryside and to senators and crongressman trying to push "Intelligent Design". |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I love that quote:
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| I don't have any PhDs, but it's pretty sad when an uneducated layman has to bring the evidence out." |
as if that's supposed to lend creedence to what he says.
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A moment later, it's on to a display debunking the Miller-Urey experiment, believed to demonstrate how atmospheric conditions on early Earth allowed for life-creating conditions. Or so evolutionists would have us believe.
"Every chemical in this experiment, mixed together, is detrimental to the living organism. So you're telling me this is going to happen? C'mon, buddy.
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1) That's a completely improper explanation for the uselessness of that experiment (O2 and carbon are detrimental).
2) There is a reason you don't havea PhD smarty man. Miller Urey has been abandoned for decades.
I pity the foo.....who takes this crap at face value. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Hey. I'd drop in if I'm ever in the area. I get the feeling, no matter the thinking behind it (or perhaps because of it), that it's still the most interesting thing happening there.
It's another of those small town eccentricities that take the monotony out of a road trip. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| It's another of those small town eccentricities that take the monotony out of a road trip. |
Like a mom and pop roadside zoo. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| He probably has some Big Foot plaster casts lying around his garage. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| A creationsist natural history museum also recently opened in the US. Lavish, well-funded, all the numbers in the black from the first day it opened. Pretty sure it was the NY Times I read about this, just the last few days or so. If I come across it again, I'll post a link. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| A creationsist natural history museum also recently opened in the US. Lavish, well-funded, all the numbers in the black from the first day it opened. Pretty sure it was the NY Times I read about this, just the last few days or so. If I come across it again, I'll post a link. |
Ah the famous Wedge Strategy in action. (Clearly this museum was planned before the ID crowd lost badly in Dover.) The creationists have this weird 20 year plan for getting creationism into the schools, universities, and popular science culture called the Wedge Strategy. They've got things like a 5 year goal to get a documentary about creationism on PBS, get an Intelligent Design Department in a major university etc.
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Twenty Year Goals
* To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
* To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
* To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life. |
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html
Point two of their goal is highly reminiscent of the underpants bit from South Park
Phase I: Get a sticker on a textbook.
Phase III: Harvard is teaching ID.
Anyone know Phase II? Anyone? These forking idiots don't grok that science follows the evidence. They ain't got the evidence, no matter how many stickers they put in textbooks. And they can teach every child in public school the earth is 6,000 years old but when those children go to university where the curriculum is beyond government control, they'll have to learn radiometric dating, they'll have to learn genetics, et al if they want to become PhDs and doctors. And they will have to learn the evidence of evolution.
Why are creation science and ID not science? They have no peer reviewed journals, they have no departments in universities, and they have no museums. Oh wait now they have one. Yeah! Basically all the hallmarks of science, ID ain't got it. They won't be treated as science, as far as the courts are concerned, until they do what science does. So they need to get it, they think, if they want to be taken seriously as a science.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| The creationists have this weird 20 year plan for getting creationism into the schools, universities, and popular science culture called the Wedge Strategy. They've got things like a 5 year goal to get a documentary about creationism on PBS, get an Intelligent Design Department in a major university etc. |
I think creationism should be taught: In a religious studies class where it belongs. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| The creationists have this weird 20 year plan for getting creationism into the schools, universities, and popular science culture called the Wedge Strategy. They've got things like a 5 year goal to get a documentary about creationism on PBS, get an Intelligent Design Department in a major university etc. |
I think creationism should be taught: In a religious studies class where it belongs. |
Religion should not be taught in any school that gets public funds. Other than to ridicule it in science class. |
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