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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: HAS IRAN BECOME THE EPICENTER OF EVIL IN THE MIDEAST? |
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All fingers are pointing toward Tehran and the Islamofascist regime of the ayotollahs and their puppet on a string Ahmadinejad.
The only ones who aren't getting the message are the apologists and enablers of any form of Islamic rebellion and of course self-serving statesmen like Jimmy Carter.
Look at the geopolitical map:
1. Missile technology transfer between Iran and North Korea.
2. A proxy war via Syria with Hezbollah to bring down the Western-supported, moderate Lebanese government, even at the expense of Palestinian refugees in the camps.
3. A proxy war via Hamas to bring down the Western-supported Fatah government of the Palestinian Authority.
4. A proxy war via the al-Sadr Shiites against the elected pro-coalition government of Iraq
5. A diplomatic dyad between Iran and China, aspiring to regional supremacy and a voting bloc that leads to support for the Sudanese government against its own people in Darfur and illegal seizure of coalition vessels in the Straits of Hormuz and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf.
Iran supplies arms and advisors in each of these flashpoints while publicly denying involvement.
The writing is on the wall and the graffiti is scrawled in the blood of Tehran.
How should the West deal with this nexus of nefarious acts in the Middle East? |
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Lie Bot
Joined: 23 Jun 2006
Location: Somewhere with Seoul!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: Re: HAS IRAN BECOME THE EPICENTER OF EVIL IN THE MIDEAST? |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
All fingers are pointing toward Tehran and the Islamofascist regime of the ayotollahs and their puppet on a string Ahmadinejad.
The only ones who aren't getting the message are the apologists and enablers of any form of Islamic rebellion and of course self-serving statesmen like Jimmy Carter.
Look at the geopolitical map:
1. Missile technology transfer between Iran and North Korea.
2. A proxy war via Syria with Hezbollah to bring down the Western-supported, moderate Lebanese government, even at the expense of Palestinian refugees in the camps.
3. A proxy war via Hamas to bring down the Western-supported Fatah government of the Palestinian Authority.
4. A proxy war via the al-Sadr Shiites against the elected pro-coalition government of Iraq
5. A diplomatic dyad between Iran and China, aspiring to regional supremacy and a voting bloc that leads to support for the Sudanese government against its own people in Darfur and illegal seizure of coalition vessels in the Straits of Hormuz and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf.
Iran supplies arms and advisors in each of these flashpoints while publicly denying involvement.
The writing is on the wall and the graffiti is scrawled in the blood of Tehran.
How should the West deal with this nexus of nefarious acts in the Middle East? |
I agree. We're not going to be safe until Iran is nuked sterile like it should have been after 9/11. Thankfully it looks like the US is finally going to get around to it. Better late than never!  |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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I hear they twirl their mustaches and cackle maniacally while while tying Tess Trueheart to the train tracks as well. The dastardly villains! |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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twg wrote:
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| I hear they twirl their mustaches and cackle maniacally while while tying Tess Trueheart to the train tracks as well. The dastardly villains! |
If that's the best you can do as a rebuttal, I'll take it as a note of agreement.
Can't expect more from a flamer like you. |
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twg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Hey you're the one who keeps presenting complex political and social situations like an eight year old trying to pick a fight after school.
Basically, your "debate" topics are getting the respect they deserve from me. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
Basically, your "debate" topics are getting the respect they deserve from me. |
In that case, I'm prompted to ask, why do you disrespect the entire forum?
Steve,
The Ayatollah is pulling away from a confrontation with the US and sidelining Ahmedinejad. The embargoes are having an effect. Should the Iranians do anything dastardly, the Israelis will likely nuke Tehran. Personally, I don't want that, but I'm sure the Iranians don't want it, either. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote:
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Steve,
The Ayatollah is pulling away from a confrontation with the US and sidelining Ahmedinejad. The embargoes are having an effect. Should the Iranians do anything dastardly, the Israelis will likely nuke Tehran. Personally, I don't want that, but I'm sure the Iranians don't want it, either. |
There seems to be conflicting intelligence over whether the ayatollah is reigning in Ahmadinejad or not. And it begs the question: for what purposes? If it's for the sake of window dressing to assuage Western diplomats, then it amounts to nothing.
The Iranians are already doing dastardly deeds, that's my point.
The Israelis won't bomb Tehran in any case; they'll send in their fighter-bombers to lay waste to those nuclear plants.
Ahmadine-jihad-aslamabad is a slick opportunist: he's using the red herring of Western interference to try to take the spotlight off him for running a disastrous economy.
We must act to tighten the economic sanctions on Iran through the Security Council. Russia and China, of course, pander to the Persians. So that might prove to be fruitless.
So the question is, where do we go next if that happens? |
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mcgeezer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Iran supplies arms and advisors in each of these flashpoints while publicly denying involvement.
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Sounds like the 20th century history of the U.S. doesn't it?
Remember the founding fathers of your great nation were viewed as terrorists by the British in the 1770's....All they wanted was freedom, autonomy, and a little self-sustainability.....what's wrong with that?
How should the U.S. deal with Iran?
Get out of Dodge!!
Imagine how the Americans if there were two huge foreign armies in Mexico and Canada completely surrounding them, like what's happening around Iran....
Different when the tables are turned aint it Steve-O-??? |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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mcgeezer wrote:
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Sounds like the 20th century history of the U.S. doesn't it?
Remember the founding fathers of your great nation were viewed as terrorists by the British in the 1770's....All they wanted was freedom, autonomy, and a little self-sustainability.....what's wrong with that? How should the U.S. deal with Iran? Get out of Dodge!! Imagine how the Americans if there were two huge foreign armies in Mexico and Canada completely surrounding them, like what's happening around Iran....
Different when the tables are turned aint it Steve-O-??? |
For most of the last century Iran was squeezed between great powers: Russia to the north and the British and French to the west. But it has only been recently that they have shown such bald aggression in the region. Moreover, we were seeking independence; Iran already is an independent state. So your analogy, like your liver, is weak.
Thanks for playing.
Get back to me again when you're sober. |
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fusionbarnone
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| Iran has excellent roads built by the Americans whilst the Shah was "in charge". With the Taliban caretakers watching over(temporarily "minding") the oil companie's oil reserves, thus it is just a matter of time before the price of oil justifies releasing bottleneck supplies via WMD invasion for the moral good of the free world. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: Re: HAS IRAN BECOME THE EPICENTER OF EVIL IN THE MIDEAST? |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
All fingers are pointing toward Tehran and the Islamofascist regime of the ayotollahs and their puppet on a string Ahmadinejad.
The only ones who aren't getting the message are the apologists and enablers of any form of Islamic rebellion and of course self-serving statesmen like Jimmy Carter.
Look at the geopolitical map:
1. Missile technology transfer between Iran and North Korea.
2. A proxy war via Syria with Hezbollah to bring down the Western-supported, moderate Lebanese government, even at the expense of Palestinian refugees in the camps.
3. A proxy war via Hamas to bring down the Western-supported Fatah government of the Palestinian Authority.
4. A proxy war via the al-Sadr Shiites against the elected pro-coalition government of Iraq
5. A diplomatic dyad between Iran and China, aspiring to regional supremacy and a voting bloc that leads to support for the Sudanese government against its own people in Darfur and illegal seizure of coalition vessels in the Straits of Hormuz and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf.
Iran supplies arms and advisors in each of these flashpoints while publicly denying involvement.
The writing is on the wall and the graffiti is scrawled in the blood of Tehran.
How should the West deal with this nexus of nefarious acts in the Middle East? |
Hmmm... seems to me the evil is right here on this board posting trollish bullshit. Fomenting war is pretty fucking evil. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Iran ought to give up their war against the US then there would be no problem.
Ought the US just accept it?
Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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| The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq. |
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
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| On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules [
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
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| WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
They support Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells drugs.
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence.
Iran has done other very objectionable and offensive acts like blowing up a Jewish community center in Argentina and killing the translators of the Satanic Versus.
However the US doesn't ought not attack Iran - not right now .
There is a better option to deal with them and North Korea too.
Iran is trying to change the strategic ballance and the US can force it back to where it ought to be.
If Iran acts up then the US hit them with the force of a comet. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Joo:
You're wasting your time trying to appeal to EFLT's sense of reason. He has none. He's a raving idealogue. Fortunately, he's too clueless to be a danger to anyone outside listening distance. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Joo:
You're wasting your time trying to appeal to EFLT's sense of reason. He has none. He's a raving idealogue. Fortunately, he's too clueless to be a danger to anyone outside listening distance. |
Said the frog to the toad.
Stevie, if I took you seriously, I just might have to commit Hari-Kiri. (Or whatever it is... but, I swear I would commit it!!!)
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Treefarmer
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: |
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The reason Iran is becoming a superpower is because America took out it's 2 rivals armies in the region (Iraq and Afghanistan) so Iran has been able to grow unchecked for about 5 years. Now would any country anywhere not be anti american in the position where the US has invaded two of it's neighbours, and is making noises to attack them, should they just sit there?
I am not pro Iran at all, and I agree that they are a repulsive regime, but I don't think they are being any more beligerent than any other superpower |
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