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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: Wow! Korean Guys. How Do They Do It? |
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Looking at the way young Korean guys behave with women, I wonder what they're doing right.
On one hand, they look like complete slaves to women, carefully sculpting their hair, washing their pink shirts 'til they're spotless, and singing love balads with full emotion.
Then yesterday, I am walking through the park in Yeoido and saw several couples on park benches. They all had one thing in common. The guy would have his head in his girlfriend's lap while she massaged his head.
Later, I see two seated bicycles going by me with the guy taking charge in the front seat in every case.
How do they flip things around to make the girl the slave?
This could be a interesting study in human psychology
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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The man on the front of the bike was the slave, he was doing the work.
In reality, in most socially-modern countries (I don't know if Korea fit's that term yet), men and women share power. Loving relationships are part-giving and part-receiving.
To read a good explanation and observation of Korean couples, read "What's So Great About Korea, Maarten?" by Maarten Meijer. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop wrote: |
The man on the front of the bike was the slave, he was doing the work.
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Indeed. I once wiped out one of those things with a K-girl on the back when we were moving along at a good clip. It's funny how K-girls will whine their heads off about the most trivial little things but when you actually wipe out hard and go spilling down the road they're pretty damn tough. I think I was groaning and moaning more than she was. (but she was still happy to have me resume and take over as slave). |
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the eye

Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Have you always been single, Dev? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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The woman still wears the pants at home, no? The man hands over his checks, she gives him cigarette and soju money, and she pretty much makes all the decisions.
I figure the feminization of Korean men has to do with the shortage of Korean women these days. The breeding strategy can go one of two ways. The men can out macho each other to get the limited supply of females. Or they can become sensitive, romantics and out try to sissy each other. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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I sometimes get a little annoyed that my wife won't make decisions about little stuff.
"Where do you want to eat?"
"Son-taek haseyo, Chagiya."
"I have picked the place/menu for the last umpteen times. It's your turn. Sang gwan oppsoyo. I will go wherever you want. I don't care."
"Son-taek haseyo, Chagiya."
Back somewhere towards the topic: Korean women do seem pretty good with managing money. I let my wife handle the day-to-day bill paying because she seems to think that its her job, and because I can't be bothered. And as long as our standard of living continues to rise (which it steadily has), she can keep it up.
As far as adjoshis, some of them need extracurricular activity and taxi money in addition to beer and cigarette money. The lucky ones have the company credit card for that. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
I sometimes get a little annoyed that my wife won't make decisions about little stuff. |
My GF is much the same.
"What do you want to have for lunch?"
"Anything."
"Sun shin gae pizza?"
"No. No pizza. No western food."
"Okay. What do you want?"
"I don't know."
Rattle off more suggestions.
"No. Not that."
etc. |
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DanielP
Joined: 25 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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I disagree.
It's up to the man to lead. You choose where you want to eat, go for fun, and go drinking.
Asking a woman to lead is like asking a man to watch a chick flick. You can do it, but it doesn't feel...natural. In fact, if you can lead effectively, a woman (and women, back me up here) finds that an attractive trait.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Dude, MM2 and I weren't talking about the first few dates. At least I wasn't.
I see your point, but when you're with someone for awhile? It would be nice if they also had an opinion that they were willing to share when you say you are relinquishing that particular choice to them.
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
My GF is much the same.
"What do you want to have for lunch?"
"Anything."
"Sun shin gae pizza?"
"No. No pizza. No western food."
"Okay. What do you want?"
"I don't know."
Rattle off more suggestions.
"No. Not that."
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I hated that. My last gf did the same thng. After the third suggestion got shot down, I would either (depending on my mood):
1- sit my ass down and watch a DVD until she decided, not stopping for anything, not even all the whinging she was doing about starving to death
2- tell her directly "I'm going to eat (here). Join me if you want, or get your own food elsewhere", and left.
I never had to do that more than a few times before she got the hint. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
I hated that. My last gf did the same thng. After the third suggestion got shot down, I would either (depending on my mood):
1- sit my ass down and watch a DVD until she decided, not stopping for anything, not even all the whinging she was doing about starving to death
2- tell her directly "I'm going to eat (here). Join me if you want, or get your own food elsewhere", and left.
I never had to do that more than a few times before she got the hint. |
(For the record this personality type isn't unique to Korean women, I gotta say. This is just the first time I've really dated it.) I mostly go "well, I'm out of ideas. I've suggested five things." Then I kind of do my best impression of the "too many notes" prince who was Mozart's boss in Amadeus and kind of nod like I'm some sort of simpleton. She then quickly clues and realizes it's not unreasonable for her to venture a suggestion or pick the least offensive of my suggestion. |
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ShadowEdge
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Location: Prisons under Pyongyang
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Wow! Korean Guys. How Do They Do It? |
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Dev wrote: |
The guy would have his head in his girlfriend's lap while she massaged his head. |
Was he face up or face down?  |
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vox

Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: Jeollabukdo
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Wow! Korean Guys. How Do They Do It? |
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Dev wrote: |
Looking at the way young Korean guys behave with women, I wonder what they're doing right.
On one hand, they look like complete slaves to women, carefully sculpting their hair, washing their pink shirts 'til they're spotless, and singing love balads with full emotion.
Then yesterday, I am walking through the park in Yeoido and saw several couples on park benches. They all had one thing in common. The guy would have his head in his girlfriend's lap while she massaged his head.
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If it was really like it reads, I'd propose that:
only one gf initially had been doing it, but the other gfs in the park, upon observing this audacious nurturing behavior one-upmanship, instinctively stratified the classes of all the other women in the park according to jewelry, waist-size, and general capacity to distract their own bf via general hotness, and having surveyed the field, each then felt the instinctive need to appear equally as nurturing and probably dragged their bf's spiked heads down onto their laps - from a previously comfortably seated position - to receive the same treatment, resulting in a park full of gfs massaging the heads of bfs, each gf casually monitoring one another with sideways glances for any other threatening acts of public affection that might crop up.
It's too bad no Kbf got the idea to take it further. Could have been a great time in the park!
Dev wrote: |
Later, I see two-seated bicycles going by me with the guy taking charge in the front seat in every case.
How do they flip things around to make the girl the slave? |
Same situation, with genders switched...
with the possible caveat that the OP is an angry female (or self-loathing male) observing not an opportunity for the woman to take a relaxed position, but rather that the opportunity to lead has been *stolen* from the woman, resulting in her apparent enslavement. Hence the only possible interpretation is theft, and consequent enslavement. The possibility of the man being enslaved in this picture is thus, utterly impossible, and of course, ludicrous.
Dev wrote: |
This could be a interesting study in human psychology
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It already is! |
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Damulgun

Joined: 11 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Wow! Korean Guys. How Do They Do It? |
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Dev wrote: |
Looking at the way young Korean guys behave with women, I wonder what they're doing right.
On one hand, they look like complete slaves to women, carefully sculpting their hair, washing their pink shirts 'til they're spotless, and singing love balads with full emotion.
Then yesterday, I am walking through the park in Yeoido and saw several couples on park benches. They all had one thing in common. The guy would have his head in his girlfriend's lap while she massaged his head.
Later, I see two seated bicycles going by me with the guy taking charge in the front seat in every case.
How do they flip things around to make the girl the slave?
This could be a interesting study in human psychology
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
caniff wrote: |
I sometimes get a little annoyed that my wife won't make decisions about little stuff. |
My GF is much the same.
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Ditto, it usually ends up me playing a guessing game whereby I try and figure out what she really wants to eat and then claiming it as my own desire wherin she proclaims that I am a mindreader because we both want to eat the same thing.
As for the money thing, when arguing of financial stuff my wife sometimes 'threatens' to make me handle the financial duties that she quietly grasped only to become agitated because I dont feel threatened by her 'threat.'
Ah what we do for those we love... |
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