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Disciplining Students "Who Mock You"
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Mark7



Joined: 22 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Disciplining Students "Who Mock You" Reply with quote

I'm sure this is a common problem for any ESL teacher, public or private. I want to see how you handle this.

You're teaching, trying to accentuate certain words, or giving instructions, and a student repeats after you, but its more mocking you. For example, one time I was telling a student to be quiet, saying something like: "Please, do not talk while I'm talking, GOT IT?" Then, a student a couple rows back fires, "GOT IT?" but in a mocking voice like he's making fun of me. Then I proceeded to point him out and told him to never do that; that's disrespect. I am sure he wasn't repeating after me so he could get his pronunciation right.

I know talking out loud in class is one thing, but how do you guys handle some students who try to "mock your voice" in class, because it totally throws me off and it is very disrespectful to me. Your input is well appreciated.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't be too quick to judge. Repeating everything you say is a Korean way of learning. There's no disrespect intended. I've had to check myself a few times when even my businessmen students repeated the most inane things I've said. They're not being rude, the opposite in fact, it's just their way of showing you they're trying to learn the language. And it also gives them a chance to say some Englishee. If thekids are mocking you - you'll see it in other ways, too.
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formerflautist



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ignore it. It's less fun for students if I take no notice of it. But I'm not a strict teacher. The kids know this but rather than take advantage, class is a relaxed atmosphere where students feel free to speak and enjoy English. I also teach high school so I imagine that's a difference.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Children the world over learn by mimicking and copying words.

I know what you mean- I've punished kids for doing that. In the end I realised that they're learning a lot of english by copying me randomly, and it would be extremely counter productive to start punishing them for learning in a natural way. You don't want them to feel nervous about repeating words after you.

If you react angrilly to every percieved indiscretion, the kids will do it more to wind you up, and your class will become a circus.

Get your co teacher to give them a speech about what is respectful/acceptable or not.
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venus



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I agree with other posters - don't make a big deal out of it, ignore it.

If one student is really overdoing it and it;s obvious they're being offensive, then pull them up on it and ask them not to do it as it;s annoying. If they continue give them a small punishment liek standing up for ten minutes and they'll soon get out fo the habbit.

But mostly, just learn to ignore it just like we have to ignore the fruit trucks and their megaphone messages at 7am....

Cool
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Colorado



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remaining cool, calm, and collected is not always easy though, is it?
In addition:
The phrase "Got it?" sounds pretty cool to kids. It's short, easily understood, and sounds kind of snappy.
I can remember a day last year when I totally lost it, pointed to the door and told one of my kids to "Get out!" of my after school class. To this day, I still hear them telling each other to "get out." They like learning new phrases that that they can use on each other.
I snapped at one kid who tried petting my hairy forearm the other day with "Don't touch me!" They liked that one too and I'm starting to hear more "Dont' touch me," in the hallways.
Like you and some of the other posters, I've jumped kids before for "mocking" me, but it's wiser to ignore it or better yet, try to make a lesson out of it.
Get it?
Got it?
Good!"
Smile
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the 'ignore it' advice. I was originally derailed by it, and then moved on to the 'force myself to ignore it' phase and now I'm at the 'appear to ignore it and shoot the kid a look without breaking stride' stage. It's working pretty well.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just turn it on its side by saying things like 'We're very smart! We love learning English! We're going to try our best!...etc.'

When they come to the realisation that you're using it as a teaching device it usually stops.


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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi story wrote:
I agree with the 'ignore it' advice. I was originally derailed by it, and then moved on to the 'force myself to ignore it' phase and now I'm at the 'appear to ignore it and shoot the kid a look without breaking stride' stage. It's working pretty well.


yep. Its usually only the one kid who does it. if he continues then then humiliate him in front of the class, problem solved.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I get a kid who's repeating everything I say to be anoying, I do the following:

"Hello"

"Hello"

"Take out your books"

"Take out your books"

"Did you do your homework?"

"Did you do your homework?"

"I like to kiss girls"

"I like to kiss girls"

Then the rest of the class makes fun of the little bugger, shutting him up.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

formerflautist wrote:
I ignore it. It's less fun for students if I take no notice of it.


That's the way to go with the mock mimicing of everything you say. Against their better judgement, they in fact are practicing their English when they do it. Plus, once they realise it doesn't get a rise out of you they will tire of it. They're just trying to get your (negative) attention. Don't feed the classroom trolls.
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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colorado wrote:
Remaining cool, calm, and collected is not always easy though, is it?
In addition:
The phrase "Got it?" sounds pretty cool to kids. It's short, easily understood, and sounds kind of snappy.
I can remember a day last year when I totally lost it, pointed to the door and told one of my kids to "Get out!" of my after school class. To this day, I still hear them telling each other to "get out." They like learning new phrases that that they can use on each other.
I snapped at one kid who tried petting my hairy forearm the other day with "Don't touch me!" They liked that one too and I'm starting to hear more "Dont' touch me," in the hallways.
Like you and some of the other posters, I've jumped kids before for "mocking" me, but it's wiser to ignore it or better yet, try to make a lesson out of it.
Get it?
Got it?
Good!"
Smile


I did not know how often I said the word "ok" until my class started repeating it after me.
Now when some of my kids are very bad in class or even in the hall way, someone will say "get out" or be quick". They catch on a lot of words that you repeat everyday in class.
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Mark7



Joined: 22 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice.

I won't get as derailed...because at first it did. Yet, telling by their tone, I could notice when someone was either mocking or doing it for their own pronunciatin benefit.

Heck, I do it too when I take Korean classes in Seoul, I "mock the teacher," but she knows I'm not doing it to be a smart butt, I'm doing it to get the pronunciation right.

Trust me, I don't flip over it, but it gets distracting when you got a kid who tries to mock every single word you say.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lowpo wrote:
Colorado wrote:
Remaining cool, calm, and collected is not always easy though, is it?
In addition:
The phrase "Got it?" sounds pretty cool to kids. It's short, easily understood, and sounds kind of snappy.
I can remember a day last year when I totally lost it, pointed to the door and told one of my kids to "Get out!" of my after school class. To this day, I still hear them telling each other to "get out." They like learning new phrases that that they can use on each other.
I snapped at one kid who tried petting my hairy forearm the other day with "Don't touch me!" They liked that one too and I'm starting to hear more "Dont' touch me," in the hallways.
Like you and some of the other posters, I've jumped kids before for "mocking" me, but it's wiser to ignore it or better yet, try to make a lesson out of it.
Get it?
Got it?
Good!"
Smile


I did not know how often I said the word "ok" until my class started repeating it after me.
Now when some of my kids are very bad in class or even in the hall way, someone will say "get out" or be quick". They catch on a lot of words that you repeat everyday in class.


hahha...My kids do that too. They learn a whole lot of English that way...Don't take it personally, OP. Ignore them, trick them into saying something silly or reinforce the language use. My students sometimes repeat after hearing me say "Sit down." I usually say "That's right. Sit down." and then go on with my lesson....
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mock their mockery. If they repeat something mockingly, I'll imitate the way they mocked me, only with a much greater deal of flair, panache, and sophisticated comedic showmanship. It brings the house down every time. Never been mocked by the same kid twice.
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