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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: What level would you teach in North America... Reply with quote

I haven't taught in Canada, I taught in the U.S. in the inner city, and I taught high school. I know I never would teach in the inner city again for even double the salary on the high school or middle school level.
I am thinking of going back into teaching, but I am not sure how it would be like teaching high school kids from suburbia in a decent middle class neighbourhood. Is elementary much better? I can't use Korea to gauge...
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willneverteachagain



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldnt teach in NA
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MidwestRepresent



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Location: The Rustbelt, at least in my heart

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Inner City Schools . . . ugh Reply with quote

I'm finishing up my first year teaching in NYC schools and I can absolutely understand your aversion to ever doing this (inner city teaching) again. I taught in Korea for almost 4 years and got the teaching bug from the great experience I had there, but teaching 6th grade in the Bronx is working me over. I'm sitting here with 9 days to go in the year wondering how in the hell I made it this far and if I can make it through the next 9 days.

In regards to your question, I hear that, at least in the NYC area, teaching in the 'burbs is a whole different ballgame. I hear a lot of teachers "do their time" in the city for a few years and then head up to Westchester County (suburban area just north of NYC) for better pay and fewer headaches. A few people I'm working with now are supposedly heading down that route next year. That (sadly) explains the void that inexperienced teachers like me are brought in to fill evey year through novice teacher recruitment programs.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

University, only.

I taught it before coming to the ROK and when I return I'll be teaching it again. You couldn't pay me enough to put me into anything lower.
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rhinocharge64



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like my experience in the U.K.
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storysinger81



Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach in an excellent school in a suburb of DC, but it's in an underperforming district, so it's kind of a weird halfway point between inner city and suburbia.

Honestly, I love my school and the students there, but the stuff of suburb teaching that gets to me is the nastiness of parents who expect miracles (including the crazy pressure for grades/competition in my AP classes). I've actually had parents tell me that I, personally, am preventing junior from getting into Harvard and insinuate that I am an idiot and worse. From what I've read here (not from experience) think ajumma mom with delusions of granduer times 10! Too many students, not enough resources, hours and hours and hours of grading & planning on my own time... And still, it's never enough. Your colleagues will make snide remarks about how "easy" you have it out in the burbs...

You really have to be on your toes for those priviledged kiddies and they'll still pick away at every little flaw. Like one teacher today just got this nasty, arrogant as all get out anonymous letter from one of her ninth grade honors students critiquing everything about her class in excruciating detail (this is a brilliant world-traveled woman--I think her French degree is from Sorbonne--who speaks 3 languages fluently and is kind, hard-working, etc.), and because she actually cares, she was very hurt by the whole experience. At least if you're a good teacher in an inner city students and parents really appreciate it (sadly because they get so many bad people...)!

If you don't mind elitist culture that assumes there must be something wrong with you for choosing a profession that won't make you much money, but would never openly admit to their own obvious prejudice, it can be a lot of fun.

I may come back to it after teaching abroad. I decided I need more experience and a break from certain kinds of teaching stress, so I'll be in Korea next year... but as of now, even with loving so many things about my job, I plan to come back to a Ph.D. program in a couple years.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Inner City Schools . . . ugh Reply with quote

MidwestRepresent wrote:
I'm finishing up my first year teaching in NYC schools and I can absolutely understand your aversion to ever doing this (inner city teaching) again. I taught in Korea for almost 4 years and got the teaching bug from the great experience I had there, but teaching 6th grade in the Bronx is working me over. I'm sitting here with 9 days to go in the year wondering how in the hell I made it this far and if I can make it through the next 9 days.

In regards to your question, I hear that, at least in the NYC area, teaching in the 'burbs is a whole different ballgame. I hear a lot of teachers "do their time" in the city for a few years and then head up to Westchester County (suburban area just north of NYC) for better pay and fewer headaches. A few people I'm working with now are supposedly heading down that route next year. That (sadly) explains the void that inexperienced teachers like me are brought in to fill evey year through novice teacher recruitment programs.



I would never want to teach in an inner city school. They complain that the world is prejudiced, but too many of them won't give their teachers respect, get into fights way too often, expect grades for doing nothing etc... And the government enables this bad behaviour, because they are afraid of offending racial sensibilities and their own communities except for maybe Sharpton and Cosby won't say much about it and the Hispanic community says nothing. In suburbia, you deal with some spoiled rich kids, some people with drug problems, but the problems are generally minor. I remember comparing my kid brother's school and the problems he told me about and the ones I told him about where I was teaching. He thought it was funny and unbelievable, surreal. Teaching in the inner city can be as stressful to the point where you could end up with post traumatic tress as if you served a tour of duty.

I still wouldn't mind teaching, but just not inner city. I would like to teach in suburbia, but I am wondering if it is better to teach elementary or high school. I am certified to teach from middle school to high school.
I can't say I just don't want to teach in North America, because I know staying in Korea, in the end, is not a real option. I can't stay here forever. I am sure there are teachers happy in certain districts or places in Canada and the U.S. It can't all be what you and I both experienced.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd prefer to teach kids who are old enough to drop out if they really hate school.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Third grade. They are smart enough to wipe their butts but innocent enough to believe everything you say (usually).
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