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huck



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Seoul is 3rd most expensive city Reply with quote

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/15/pf/most_expensive_cities/index.htm?cnn=yes

I thought this was surprising...I didn't realize it was so expensive to live here...But maybe that's considering housing prices, which don't really affect most of us.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We already have this thread.
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badfish



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Moscow, a luxury two-bedroom apartment will cost an expat $4,000 a month; a CD rings up at $24.83; one copy of an international daily newspaper is $6.30; and a fast-food hamburger meal totals $4.80.


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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Seoul is 3rd most expensive city Reply with quote

huck wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/15/pf/most_expensive_cities/index.htm?cnn=yes

I thought this was surprising...I didn't realize it was so expensive to live here...But maybe that's considering housing prices, which don't really affect most of us.


I may be wrong, but I think these are based on the average income of the population compared to the prices of things. I mean, even my dinky little city in the US is more expensive to live in than Seoul, but I'm also sure the average salary of people in my area is much higher than for the average Korean, so...
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, the 21st century will bring a high cost of living to most places including those that are still cheap today. This may become a crisis of epic proportions when there is not enough of anything to go around due to dramaticly increasing human population and decreasing natural resources as a result of destructive activities. Prices will just march to unprecidented sky high figures without regard of what common people are paid for their work. In 1960, there was 3 billion people on Earth, while today the number is pushing 7 to 8 billion. The old 6 billion count is out of date already.

With increasing populations, demand for food, fuel, services, and housing will continue to furthur outstrip supply which will eventually lead to a meltdown where only the wealthy has the very things we all need and want; food, housing, healthcare, transportation, education, and luxories that allow us to enjoy life a little. Also companies that sell everything are becoming more and more capitalistic and are pushing for the highest prices they can possibly demand out of consumers. Economics will only get tougher as we get older, except for the few who will make big money later in their careers.
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m8888888



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that was depressing, sojourner1! Not that I think you're wrong, it's just really awful to think about.

There are different studies that say different cities are most expensive. On another one (one that I believe waaaaaay more than the one linked above), Moscow is the 26th most expensive city.
http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities_eiu.html
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The problem with all three surveys is that they convert local prices into US dollars, which means that any changes are as much the result of currency fluctuations as of price inflation.


But I've been to Oslo when the dollar was strong, and when it was weak, and it was freaking expensive all the time, so I believe the Economic Intelligence Unit report over the Mercer one. No way is Seoul the 3rd most expensive, and Oslo the 10th. I find Seoul to be quite cheap, except for apartments.
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butlerian



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m8888888 wrote:
Wow, that was depressing, sojourner1! Not that I think you're wrong, it's just really awful to think about.

There are different studies that say different cities are most expensive. On another one (one that I believe waaaaaay more than the one linked above), Moscow is the 26th most expensive city.
http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities_eiu.html
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The problem with all three surveys is that they convert local prices into US dollars, which means that any changes are as much the result of currency fluctuations as of price inflation.


But I've been to Oslo when the dollar was strong, and when it was weak, and it was freaking expensive all the time, so I believe the Economic Intelligence Unit report over the Mercer one. No way is Seoul the 3rd most expensive, and Oslo the 10th. I find Seoul to be quite cheap, except for apartments.


Certainly as a tourist, Oslo is ridiculously expensive and surely the most expensive city to visit in the world. I went there for a "cheap" weekend using a free (only paid for the taxes) flight and spent an absolute fortune. Food and drink - especially alcohol - does not come cheap!
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a big box of cereal the other day.

It cost almost 7,000 won. Shocked
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine in Malaysia says now he can't believe he paid $10 for a watermelon in Seoul.

That said, Seoul is FAR from the third most expensive city in the world. I find Seoul cheaper than New York and Los Angeles. Now, the survey measured EXPATS, and I'm sure I could easily hook these expats up with less expensive digs if they asked me, but I'm sure their companies have lots of dough to play with, so why not go for the gold?
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
With increasing populations, demand for food, fuel, services, and housing will continue to furthur outstrip supply which will eventually lead to a meltdown where only the wealthy has the very things we all need and want; food, housing, healthcare, transportation, education, and luxories that allow us to enjoy life a little. Also companies that sell everything are becoming more and more capitalistic and are pushing for the highest prices they can possibly demand out of consumers. Economics will only get tougher as we get older, except for the few who will make big money later in their careers.


Agriculture is always becoming more efficient, and I can't see a shortage of food happening.
Housing? There's tons of open space in the world; maybe not in Korea, but if the population were to double you could fit a lot of them in Canada and America.
Healthcare? The more people need it the more doctors will go into it. There will only be a shorage in socialistic system like Canada, but that has nothing to do with population.
Transporation? If there are more people, there will be more cars and airplanes.
Education? If there's a demand for it, I'm sure more universities will open.
Luxuries? Again, we get more luxury items on the market as the population increases.

And companies always have and always will seek to maximize profits: that's why they're in business. Just as consumers will always seek to maximize savings. But a company can't charge more than people are willing to pay, and that sets a limit on how much a company can charge.

You paint a very bleak picture. I'm glad I'm not as cynical as you are.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also skeptical over doomsday predictions. Thomas Malthus wrote in the 60s about food production versus population growth, and was dead wrong in his predictions. I have a feeling that the global warming mongers could also follow the same fate (but please, I do NOT want to start a debate on this thread about global warning).

Of course, people are living longer so we'll have way more cases of elderly-related issues like Alzheimer's and the like.

Anyway, back to the topic, I think so many unemployed college grads wouldn't be coming to Seoul if the city was indeed so expensive.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Housing is the main reason why its so expensive in Seoul. The report is about Seoul. Bundang, Gimpo, Suwon, Ilsan, Etc...etc... are all close to Seoul but they are a part of Gyeonggi-do.

There are some cheaper places in Seoul to live, but the insane prices in Gangnam and other rich areas just tip the scale.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul isn't all that expensive, I'd say its comparable to Singapore (typical suburban living seems closer to Malaysia though).

Japan on the other hand...
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Gundy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This report is written for International companies and governments to see how expensive a city is to send its workers too. Thus it only takes into account those things that are needed by an international business person. Things like a central condo, a car, dinner at expensive restaurants, the price of clothes bought at department stores. By these measures Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in they world.

Example a bottle of Vere Cliquot costs about $85-95 Canadian dollars in Seoul, it costs $50-60 in Calgary. Major brand clothes like DKNY, Gucci etc cost more in Seoul then most other places.

This is not counting things like some Don-Gass at the Kim bap jeung or no name clothes at Dongdaemun. Those things make Seoul seem cheap to North American cities because there really isn't a market culture in North America.

Is Seoul the third most expensive city for people living in business districts avoiding the locals and dropping $100,000 a year on clothes? Yes. Is it cheaper than western cities that force you into buying everything from major retailers with their extra staffing and advertising costs built into the products? It can be.
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DCJames



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gundy wrote:
This report is written for International companies and governments to see how expensive a city is to send its workers too. Thus it only takes into account those things that are needed by an international business person. Things like a central condo, a car, dinner at expensive restaurants, the price of clothes bought at department stores. By these measures Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in they world.

Example a bottle of Vere Cliquot costs about $85-95 Canadian dollars in Seoul, it costs $50-60 in Calgary. Major brand clothes like DKNY, Gucci etc cost more in Seoul then most other places.

This is not counting things like some Don-Gass at the Kim bap jeung or no name clothes at Dongdaemun. Those things make Seoul seem cheap to North American cities because there really isn't a market culture in North America.

Is Seoul the third most expensive city for people living in business districts avoiding the locals and dropping $100,000 a year on clothes? Yes. Is it cheaper than western cities that force you into buying everything from major retailers with their extra staffing and advertising costs built into the products? It can be.


Do you own a car? Do you buy groceries every week??

The price to fill up my compact car is close to 70,000 won. The average person owns and drives a car in the west. Most Koreans drive here also.

Groceries, especially fruits and vegetables are ridiculously priced.

Sorry, but eating cheaply-made unhealthy food at cheap prices in cheap Korean restaurants is not what normal people do everyday. Rolling Eyes Normal people go to the supermarket and cook their own food. If you buy and cook normal food here you'll spend a significant amount of money each week.

My point is alot of English teachers live like monks here (get small cheap/free housing, don't own a car, eat cheap low quality Korean food) then think Korea is not expensive. Well, no country is expensive if you have the quality of life of a miser. Rolling Eyes
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