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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: DIRECTOR OLIVER STONE ADMITS TO MAKING RACIST FILM |
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Hollywood director Oliver Stone finally admits to racism in one of his films, or does he?
from the AFP wire:
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| Stone also visited Istanbul in 2004 and said he "never intended to be against Turkey" and that "perhaps some of the zealousness... came from being young and trying to make the point too much." |
That's as close to an apology as the Turks can expect to get from this arrogant liberal crusader.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I believe Stone is sincere in saying that he never intended to be anti-Turkish. But there is no question he manipulated history for his own purposes--something he has a habit of doing in his films (JFK comes to mind). He also was loose with the facts about the author of book on which the film is based:
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| Stone has been criticised for having taken some questionable liberties in the screenplay with regard to Hayes' book. |
Did torture occur in Turkish prisons in 1970? Yes, it did. Was it widespread, as the film depicts, and sadistic, involving all the prison staff as the film showed? No, it wasn't. Did the convict, Billy Hayes, aware of the draconian Turkish drug laws, try to smuggle a large amount of hashish out of Ankara at the time? Yes, he did, and he has apologized. In fact, Stone just jumped on the Contrition Bandwagon so as not to look like the lone culprit in this Hollywood history caper.
So once again Oliver Stone puts his personal political agenda ahead of historical truth. Big surprise.
O.K., Ollie, let's hear an apology to the Johnson family for your smear of Lyndon in JFK. |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| They're films not documentaries. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the Turks will apologize to Atom Egoyan show him some of their democratic free speech:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat_%28movie%29
Act like a savage, you'll be portrayed as a savage. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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happeningthang wrote:
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| They're films not documentaries. |
You sound like a Hollywood front man or maybe just another Stone apologist.
When a director continually attempts to portray his films as depictions/reflections of history, he can no longer use the excuse that he's just another artist.
Stone is a political hack who happens to have a camera rather than a microphone most of the time.
He can't have his cake and eat it too.
Octavius wrote:
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| Act like a savage, you'll be portrayed as a savage. |
And to what do I owe the honor of this guest post? For someone who claims to be so open-minded, that's a rather sweeping racist generalization. In the film, which I've seen many times, including when it was first released, there is NOT ONE Turkish character that has any redeeming qualities. Not ONE, even among the judges. Had a similar film been directed by a conservative, he would have been excoriated. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Lyndon, was an idiot, Vietnam?????? so no one owes him an apology.
And why do we care about this film, there are way more serious things to be arguing over. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Uh....What movie are you guys talking about? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: ... |
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| In the film, which I've seen many times, |
Why did you watch a racist fim by a liberal crusader many times? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| Uh....What movie are you guys talking about? |
I've seen the film; I think it's called Midnight Express??? It's about a guy who gets caught with drug in Turkey. Very famous film. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| They're films not documentaries. |
ROFL. You sound like defense counsel for Oliver Stone.
Neither "film" nor "documentary" -- and especially not "satire," in the other muckraker's case -- do this justice. These are propagandistic works. |
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contrarian
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Stone is, was and likely will continure to be a polemicist with a message rather than an entertainer.
Hite:
The Liberals of the world should be thankful that Johnson replaced Kennedy. He got through civil rights programs that neithe Jack or Bobby would have had a chance of doing. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: DIRECTOR OLIVER STONE ADMITS TO MAKING RACIST FILM |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| blah, blah, blah.... I have no thought that isn't partisan and putrid. |
When you can do better than the people you insult, son, get back to us. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Nowhere Man:
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| Why did you watch a racist fim by a liberal crusader many times? |
Please listen. You don't know what your missin'. Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.
I have also listened to the song about you countless times.
The first two times I saw it I was a young clueless liberal. The third time was for a film course as an undergrad; the last after I awoke at age 35 to the polemic aspects of Stone's films to reevaluate it for a termpaper for my master's.
Ask me again and I'll tell you the same. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| happeningthang wrote: |
| They're films not documentaries. |
ROFL. You sound like defense counsel for Oliver Stone.
Neither "film" nor "documentary" -- and especially not "satire," in the other muckraker's case -- do this justice. These are propagandistic works. |
Prove it, college boy.
Fact is, much like most other real conspiracies, it takes time for things to come out. There are facts that are utterly irrefutable.
1. You have cited, I believe, but it may have been someone else, the magic bullet. Care to discuss where the magic bullet came from? I'll give you a hint: nobody's body. There was ZERO chain of evidence on it. It was found on a freaking stretcher.
2. The marks on the body and in the clothes quite simply DO NOT line up with the supposed trajectory as listed on the ME's report.
Etc.
College books are not the be-all and end-all of knowledge, college boy. I'd bet you taught your students (shudder) in Korea that language doesn't evolve, too.
I do, however, agree with stevie that he has an axe to grind and does so. Propaganda, however, deals with kernels of truth built into falsehoods. Stone's films - none of which I have loved at all, but all of which are thought provoking - do not meet this test. |
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Masta_Don
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Who's up for some picketing of 300 later on for its historical falsehoods? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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No, only for it's disturbing scenes and the rape of a queen...
Crap... almost forgot it was based on a comic book...
I DO have to say, there were no rapes in the comics I read, lo, these many years ago!
Barbaric, really. I mean, did it move the story further along? |
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