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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Discipline in PS Classrooms Reply with quote

Who handles (or is expected to handle) discipline in your classroom?

This morning was a very liberating experience for me--I refused to take care of any disciplinary problems while I was teaching, effectively forcing my coteacher to take care of inattention, rudeness, talking, etc. When the CT was teaching, I took discipline into my own hands and made sure everyone was paying attention to him.

It may have been a fluke, but that class is normally my "hell class." Evil or Very Mad Today they were not only tolerable, but almost (not quite, but almost) civil.

(I hope I'm not coming across as naive. Maybe this is how things are supposed to be done??)
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually pull out my baseball bat which is wrapped in barb wire. Unfortunately I had to use it on one of the 3rd graders this morning, but at least it got the class to be quiet.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always be prepared to handle things 100% yourself if need be. Showing a clueless CT what to do while he / she is teaching is one useful approach, yes.
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best case scenario: You handle the discipline yourself.

Next best case scenario: CT & FT handle the discipline equally.

Worst case scenario: CT handles the discipline. Not only might you look "weak" but the CT might resent always being the "bad cop."
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Smee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big problem with letting them do 100% of the discipline is that they're not always going to be in the room. What do you do if the CT isn't there and the kids are going crazy? That's frustrating for me as the kids here arre trained to follow Korean teachers. Next semester I've got to find away around that.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
A big problem with letting them do 100% of the discipline is that they're not always going to be in the room. What do you do if the CT isn't there and the kids are going crazy? That's frustrating for me as the kids here arre trained to follow Korean teachers. Next semester I've got to find away around that.


You speak some Korean, right? And you teach kids?

You could make them close their eyes for a minute or two until they settle down.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, I like the idea of having a "liberating" experience. Every Tuesday I teach 4th graders who go completely apesh*t, even when the coteacher is in the room. The run around, fall out of chairs, hit each other, throw things, etc., so doing anything constructive isn't even an option. It makes me crazy that he lets them get away with this, so I think tomorow I'll go through my lesson, whether they're jumping around or not. I'm just the "techer's assistant," after all.
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Sody



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Discipline in PS Classrooms Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
Who handles (or is expected to handle) discipline in your classroom?

This morning was a very liberating experience for me--I refused to take care of any disciplinary problems while I was teaching, effectively forcing my coteacher to take care of inattention, rudeness, talking, etc. When the CT was teaching, I took discipline into my own hands and made sure everyone was paying attention to him.

It may have been a fluke, but that class is normally my "hell class." Evil or Very Mad Today they were not only tolerable, but almost (not quite, but almost) civil.

(I hope I'm not coming across as naive. Maybe this is how things are supposed to be done??)


Good to hear Smile I do the exact same thing in my classrooms and it works very well. I strongly suggest that all PS teachers take this approach.

Sody
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have very little to no disciplinary problems in my classrooms.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
I have very little to no disciplinary problems in my classrooms.


It must be nice--maybe we could trade kids??! Mad
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Mondays I have to 'co'-teach four MS classes with the useless rookie temp. Today, not for the first time, I ended up punishing a student for being rude to him. During the one minute of the 45-minute lesson I get him to teach (translating a short dialogue), a girl started calling out 'No! No! No! No!' in a really obnoxious voice. OK, kid, your coming with the waygook.

I just keep reminding myself that the rest of the world is backwards and my school makes perfect sense.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing to do is keep them busy from the get-go of your lesson...my kids don't have time to misbehave as I use many varied activities and games in my lessons and I make quick transitions form one to the next. Also, it's good to look and act like you know what your doing and have your plans and props ready when the Ss enter the classroom. It's also good to treat the kids like people and show them a little respect as well...respect is a two lane highway, ya know?
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Jizzo T. Clown



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
It's also good to treat the kids like people and show them a little respect as well...respect is a two lane highway, ya know?


I absolutely cannot stress how important this is! HOWEVER, there's a fine line between being respectful to your students and giving them an inch while they take a mile. It's a delicate balancing act for me, but it gets easier as I gain more experience.

I remember in the beginning (4 years ago) I was too chummy; these days it's tough not to go too far the other way, and I have to remind myself that it's tough being a teenager, and probably even tougher having to study a language for which you can see no obvious benefits.

That said, yes, keeping them busy from the beginning is a good deterrent to bad behavior, but their levels (and attention spans) are so varied that, oftentimes, a handful of kids will be finished with the activity before others have even begun!
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
A big problem with letting them do 100% of the discipline is that they're not always going to be in the room. What do you do if the CT isn't there and the kids are going crazy? That's frustrating for me as the kids here arre trained to follow Korean teachers. Next semester I've got to find away around that.


I totally agree but they should STILL BE IN THE CLASS MOST OF THE TIME. Even if you do 100% of the job of classroom management actively, in a passive sense the K teacher's presence makes it a helluva lot easier. In all of my classes, I do all or 1/2 of the disciplining and management and its great. I have another class in a school where the teachers are too lazy to be in the class (drinking tea and talking about aunt Kims daughter who made it to Yonsei or whatever instead of being in the class) and it is total hell. The students get amight brave with only 1 teacher who cant speak Korean...

Also, sometimes classroom issues are complicated. Korean teachers are absolutely needed sometimes to make sure everyone feels things are "fair" (especially with Korean kids that seem to be hyper-sensitive to this kind of thing as compared with others). They are needed because they have complex language skills and we dont.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coteacher and I both handle discipline.

At this point, I can get my students to be quiet with one pointed look. It also helps to have a word that they must all respond to the same way. The students are taught that if they hear "Stop!" they all hve to say "Ice" and turn around and look at the teacher. It is helpful because sometimes kids just go off in their own little world and I think of it as an harpoon that drags them back into the classroom.

It also helps that I speak some Korean and have no problem telling them in Korean and English (or vice versa) to be quiet, open your book, pay attention, or get out of my classroom.

Be firm. Be consistent. They will cave in.

OH! And play them against each other! If one kid misbehaves look at him or her pointedly, punish everyone and watch the mutiny begin. No one likes getting in trouble for someone else's mistake, so use that to your advantage. Kids are self absorbed brats all over the world, so make someone else's behavior their problem Wink
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