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Freaka



Joined: 05 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: There, their and they're Reply with quote

there
their
they're

Do you pronounce these differently? My cousin came home from her English class today and said that her English instructor went over the different pronunciations for the three words. I'm puzzled...are the differences in pronunciation between the three words so pronounced that an entire lesson would be devoted to them in an ESL class?

There is no hope.
Their offices were nice.
They're not very nice.

We went there last year.
They left their books on the table.
It doesn't matter why they're important.
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Bramble



Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused

That's pretty bizarre. I don't hear any difference ... did she get this "lesson" from a hagwon in Korea, or somewhere else?

Anyway, congrats on your new job.
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"there" I pronounce like "The Are E"

"their" is like "The Ire"

"they're" is like "They Ree"

Seriously, what kind of person is teaching that class if s/he spent an entire lesson on the pronunciation of those words?
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Freaka



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bramble wrote:
Confused

That's pretty bizarre. I don't hear any difference ... did she get this "lesson" from a hagwon in Korea, or somewhere else?

Anyway, congrats on your new job.


No, the lesson was given in her ESL class here in Los Angeles. Her instructor is an American native speaker.

Thanks for the congrats! Wink
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All pronounced the same for me...
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kingtout



Joined: 03 May 2007
Location: ROK...again...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: There, their and they're Reply with quote

Freaka wrote:
there
their
they're

Do you pronounce these differently? My cousin came home from her English class today and said that her English instructor went over the different pronunciations for the three words. I'm puzzled...are the differences in pronunciation between the three words so pronounced that an entire lesson would be devoted to them in an ESL class?

There is no hope.
Their offices were nice.
They're not very nice.

We went there last year.
They left their books on the table.
It doesn't matter why they're important.


Your cousin's instructor is an idiot.


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ilovebdt



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Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
"there" I pronounce like "The Are E"

"their" is like "The Ire"

"they're" is like "They Ree"

Seriously, what kind of person is teaching that class if s/he spent an entire lesson on the pronunciation of those words?


Agree with xCustomx. There is a slight difference, but practising them doesn't merit a whole lesson.
There are far more interesting and useful things their teacher could be teaching them.

ilovebdt
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from the South East in the US. I've lost most all of my accent, but I could see a slight variation (but so slight, its not worth teaching!)

there, their, they're --these can all be prounounced the same in one syllable-- theyr

their and they're-- I could see drawing out the sound part into a syllable and a halfish --they ur

Still, its so slight, that I can't imagine anyone spending anytime on it in class
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highlander_76



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Jeongja

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your cousin might seriously want to consider a new class if a native-speaking instructor is teaching that kind of stuff. There is a *slight* difference in pronunciation between "there" and "their/they're" in some dialects of English, but it has nothing to do with comprehensibility and the instructor shouldn't be wasting any time but perhaps a passing moment on it to mention that such a variation *sometimes* exists.
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Freaka



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys. For a second there, I was questioning my own sanity. Wink

When my cousin first brought it up, I thought she was referring to the proper usage of the words, but when told me she was referring to the pronunciation, I was surprised.
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kingtout



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
xCustomx wrote:
"there" I pronounce like "The Are E"

"their" is like "The Ire"

"they're" is like "They Ree"

Seriously, what kind of person is teaching that class if s/he spent an entire lesson on the pronunciation of those words?


Agree with xCustomx. There is a slight difference, but practising them doesn't merit a whole lesson.
There are far more interesting and useful things their teacher could be teaching them.

ilovebdt


Why don't you consult Miriam-Webster, Macquarie Concise, or OED. Sheesh. If you pronounce them differently, perhaps you were taught by an idiot.
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poet13



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up with a slight difference in pronounciation....imposed upon me by my Bermudian mother. I even say thema litle differenly now, but I wouldn't spend more than about five minutes trying to teach it, and then only to someone who also recognized a difference and asked me to.
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Woden



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no difference, it is just we perceive a difference due to the difference in spelling.

If you were to record natural speech and then play back each 'their/there/they're' said in isolation I would put my house (if I had one) on people not being able to discern any difference.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingtout wrote:

Why don't you consult Miriam-Webster, Macquarie Concise, or OED. Sheesh. If you pronounce them differently, perhaps you were taught by an idiot.


I just check Miriam-Webster online and all three gave this

Pronunciation: '[th]er

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=there
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=they%27re
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=their
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
I grew up with a slight difference in pronounciation....imposed upon me by my Bermudian mother. I even say thema litle differenly now, but I wouldn't spend more than about five minutes trying to teach it, and then only to someone who also recognized a difference and asked me to.


I had Jamaican parents growing up in the Bronx.

Yet "there," "their," and "they're" all roll off my tongue the same way.

I've never been to Bermuda. I wonder how different the accent is from a Jamaican one.
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