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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: No Second-Chances for American Blacks? |
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The ABC television program "Grey's Anatomy" fired actor Isaiah Washington. Washington calls ABC "racist."
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"My mistake was thinking black people get second chances. I was wrong on all fronts," he said.
His unwillingness to act like a submissive black at work was part of the problem, Washington said.
"Well, it didn't help me on the set that I was a black man who wasn't a mush-mouth Negro walking around with his head in his hands all the time. I didn't speak like I'd just left the plantation and that can be a problem for people sometime," he said.
"I had a person in human resources tell me after this thing played out that 'some people' were afraid of me around the studio. I asked her why, because I'm a 6-foot-1, black man with dark skin and who doesn't go around saying 'Yessah, massa sir' and 'No sir, massa' to everyone?" |
Larry King will interview Washington Monday.
CNN Reports |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe he should talk to OJ.
Or R.Kelly.
Or Michael Jackson. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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There's already a thread about this which basically points out that Washington is a moron.
This is the type of idiocy that makes all Blacks look bad. I wish I could duct tape his mouth shut! |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Jesse Jackson got a second chance after his anti-Semitic remarks.
Al Sharpton has gotten umpteen chances every time he opens his trap.
Vivica Fox, the daytime black drama queen, who was arrested for DUI and accused the white (but not Latino) cop of racism for writing her up is evidently getting a second chance.
What all of these black "stars" have in common is an inability to debate the issues without resorting to name-calling. Or it could just be stupidity.
Too bad other black stars with far more intelligence, wit, and discretion (like Oprah Winfrey, Morgan Freeman and, usually Denzel Washington) don't speak out against these antics. But then they'd be accused of being sell-outs as even Bill Cosby was recently.
Defensive posturing in the black community is alive and well, and guilt-ridden white liberals enable it. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
What all of these black "stars" have in common is an inability to debate the issues without resorting to name-calling. Or it could just be stupidity. |
Not unlike a certain Hawaii 5-0 poster.
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| Too bad other black stars with far more intelligence, wit, and discretion (like Oprah Winfrey, Morgan Freeman and, usually Denzel Washington) don't speak out against these antics. But then they'd be accused of being sell-outs as even Bill Cosby was recently. |
And why do you think blacks have an obligation to chastise the behavior of other blacks? Just because of their common race? For someone who keeps complaining about the monolithic hegemony of blacks, you sure expect a lot of hegemony from them. It isn't the hegemony that bothers you, but rather the slant of the hegemony. If blacks were all faithfully lined up behind the GOP and your conservative ideals, we'd never hear a peep of complaint from you. That's what we in the business call a double standard.
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| Defensive posturing in the black community is alive and well, and guilt-ridden white liberals enable it. |
Like when Rush got a second chance? And Bill O'Reilly got a second chance? And Tammy Faye got a second chance? And Peter Popoff got a second chance? And Fred Phelps got a 200th chance? Where are the more intelligent conservatives speaking out against such antics? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of Cosby, I received this chain-email two or three days ago. I doubt Cosby wrote it. But I like the message. I saw an African-American journalist grilling a gansta-rapper on the same theme on MSNBC a while back. And I believe Will Smith has actually articulated similar sentiments...
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Can't Blame White People
by Bill Cosby
They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't?
Where you is?
What he drive?
Where he stay?
Where he work?
Who you be...?
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English...
except these knuckleheads.
Mushmouth is what they speak!
You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education,
and now we've got these knuckleheads throwing that all away.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting.
They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what?
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry
when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18?
And, how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father?
Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward,
pants down around the crack,
isn't that a sign of something?
They're walking around with their nasty underwear showing, and
holding onto their pants to keep them from falling to the ground!
Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Isn't it a sign of something
when she has her dress all the way up to her panty line,
and got all types of needle piercing's
going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from?
We are not Africans.
Those people are not Africans;
they don't know a thing about Africa.
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education
is no longer the white person's problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed.
Today a woman has eight children
with eight different 'husbands' --
or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players
who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players
who can't write two paragraphs.
We as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart
with seven kids saying...
you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other
to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.
It is not for media or anyone of this time
anymore to say whether I'm right or wrong.
It is time, ladies and gentlemen,
to look at the numbers.
Fifty percent of our children are dropping out
of high school.
Sixty percent of the incarcerated males
happen to be illiterate. There's a correlation.
Tell the media to stop asking me what I think about people who don't believe what I'm saying or feel that I'm too harsh or feel that I'm just running my mouth because I'm old.
Seventy percent of the teenagers pregnant happen to be African American girls.
Don't ask me to soften my message. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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It is a great message but I'm sick feeling as though I have to explain the behaviors of others? For what? I'm not a spokeswoman for Blacks. I'm a spokeswoman for myself. Whatever happened to individuality in America? It's just easier to lump everyone into a nice group so you can point the figure at all of us??
I'm not the one who dropped out of high school or college.
I'm not the one in prison.
I'm not the one with a gun.
I'm not the one with baby mama (or daddy) drama (and people can't act like this is a Black only phenomenon).
I'm not the one on welfare.
I'm not the one on crack.
I'm not the one who hangs out on the corner.
I'm not the one who speaks incorrect English.
I'm not the one who thinks I'm a gangster.
I'm not the one who solves problems with violence.
So why must I represent who I am by what I'm not? How twisted is that? You won't see this sort of necessity for Whites. How would that look? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| How twisted is that? You won't see this sort of necessity for Whites. How would that look? |
People do not hurl pejoratives at or harshly stereotype white Americans? White, American males AKA "crackers," "jueros," or "gringos," to be precise?
Everyone seems to stereotype everyone else, Alyallen. Sometimes I wonder whether people are even capable of seeing Others (socially, culturally, nationally, ethnically, what-have-you) through the stereotypes.
In any case, please do not claim that this only happens to African-Americans. Take this from a white male who has lost grants to lesser qualified "diverse" people because of his skin color and because, presumably, all white males get a ten-thousand-dollar "white-guy" check in their mailbox every month, find all doors open to them, and therefore do not need grants -- like that hilarious but still stereotypical "white-guy" skit Eddie Murphy used to perform on Saturday Night... |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| How twisted is that? You won't see this sort of necessity for Whites. How would that look? |
People do not hurl pejoratives at or harshly stereotype white Americans? White, American males AKA "crackers," "jueros," or "gringos," to be precise?
Everyone seems to stereotype everyone else, Alyallen. Sometimes I wonder whether people are even capable of seeing Others (socially, culturally, nationally, ethnically, what-have-you) through the stereotypes.
In any case, please do not claim that this only happens to African-Americans. Take this from a white male who has lost grants to lesser qualified "diverse" people because of his skin color and because, presumably, all white males get a ten-thousand-dollar "white-guy" check in their mailbox every month, find all doors open to them, and therefore do not need grants -- like that hilarious but still stereotypical "white-guy" skit Eddie Murphy used to perform on Saturday Night... |
I'm not saying that it happens only to African Americans. I'm just pointing out that it isn't necessary for whites to proclaim "I don't do meth" to mollify others.
Eddie Murphy on Saturday Night live. How long ago was that? But yes, I understand what you are saying and you are proving my point. I'm not the one who took your grant. Why do I feel it's necessary to even state that point? Not all Blacks or Minorities get advantages and not all Whites or Minorities get disadvantages. It's all about the individual and people like to make themselves feel better for whatever they didn't get by blaming it on the other group.
I've never benefited from affirmative action. I forgot to add that to my list. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm just pointing out that it isn't necessary for whites to proclaim "I don't do meth" to mollify others. |
Last I checked, it was not necessary for blacks to proclaim this, either -- whether it be coke or crack or whatever.
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| Not all Blacks or Minorities get advantages and not all Whites or Minorities get disadvantages... |
You forgot at least two: not all blacks or minorities are born disadvantaged and not all whites are born privileged.
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| It's all about the individual... |
No. It is not about individual merit or qualifications at all. It is mostly about "quotas" and some liberal's idea of "social justice."
It is about how, in someone's calculus, two wrongs indeed make a right.
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| ...people like to make themselves feel better for whatever they didn't get by blaming it on the other group. |
No need for us to focus on this point. But in this case, two committee members explained the decision to me informally and behind closed doors, Alyallen. For the record, the one that really annoyed me, a five-figure summer langauge-study grant, did not go to an African-American but rather a female Mexican-American grad student with a B- GPA. |
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dogshed
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| How twisted is that? You won't see this sort of necessity for Whites. How would that look? |
People do not hurl pejoratives at or harshly stereotype white Americans? White, American males AKA "crackers," "jueros," or "gringos," to be precise?
Everyone seems to stereotype everyone else, Alyallen. Sometimes I wonder whether people are even capable of seeing Others (socially, culturally, nationally, ethnically, what-have-you) through the stereotypes.
In any case, please do not claim that this only happens to African-Americans. Take this from a white male who has lost grants to lesser qualified "diverse" people because of his skin color and because, presumably, all white males get a ten-thousand-dollar "white-guy" check in their mailbox every month, find all doors open to them, and therefore do not need grants -- like that hilarious but still stereotypical "white-guy" skit Eddie Murphy used to perform on Saturday Night... |
The statement you quoted seems to have nothing to do with the statement you posted about it. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| and because, presumably, all white males get a ten-thousand-dollar "white-guy" check in their mailbox every month, find all doors open to them, and therefore do not need grants -- like that hilarious but still stereotypical "white-guy" skit Eddie Murphy used to perform on Saturday Night... |
You rang? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Leslie, that was exactly the skit I had in mind. ROFL, again. Got his song "I'm a white guy, I don't take no crap!" while you are at it?
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| How twisted is that? You won't see this sort of necessity for Whites. How would that look? |
The statement you quoted seems to have nothing to do with the statement you posted about it. |
To save space, Dogshed, I sometimes cite the smallest excerpt possible and then respond to that. In this case, Alyallen's "that," in her question "How twisted is that?," her "this-sort-of-necessity" clause, and her "that" in her concluding question "How would that look?" all refer to "stereotyping," or to be exact, "lump[ing] everyone into a nice group." And this is the essence of what she objects to -- that is, having to dispell said stereotypes if you are black but not if you are white.
I hope this clears things up for you.
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| I'm just pointing out that it isn't necessary for whites to proclaim "I don't do meth" to mollify others. |
Last I checked, it was not necessary for blacks to proclaim this, either -- whether it be coke or crack or whatever.
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| Not all Blacks or Minorities get advantages and not all Whites or Minorities get disadvantages... |
You forgot at least two: not all blacks or minorities are born disadvantaged and not all whites are born privileged.
| Alyallen wrote: |
| It's all about the individual... |
No. It is not about individual merit or qualifications at all. It is mostly about "quotas" and some liberal's idea of "social justice."
It is about how, in someone's calculus, two wrongs indeed make a right.
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| ...people like to make themselves feel better for whatever they didn't get by blaming it on the other group. |
No need for us to focus on this point. But in this case, two committee members explained the decision to me informally and behind closed doors, Alyallen. For the record, the one that really annoyed me, a five-figure summer langauge-study grant, did not go to an African-American but rather a female Mexican-American grad student with a B- GPA. |
My point about having to proclaim certain things were in response to this...
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| Speaking of Cosby, I received this chain-email two or three days ago. I doubt Cosby wrote it. But I like the message. I saw an African-American journalist grilling a gansta-rapper on the same theme on MSNBC a while back. And I believe Will Smith has actually articulated similar sentiments... |
The reason I mentioned meth is that there will never be a point when George Clooney or some other articulate white actor (who somehow must be a role model and spokesman for millions) will have to condemn the practice of producing or using meth. It won't happen and of course I'm not stating that only Whites use meth and that's my point. It's not just Blacks who smoke crack or rot in prison.
This is a national problem it's not a Black or White problem. But perhaps I am confusing you because I choose to look at things logically and not in terms of color. I'm not arguing about the realities. I'm arguing about the fact that in MY REALITY that this crap is not of my concern but I (as in an Individual) am stuck with this stigma that is not related to anything I have done in MY life.
All I want is to be viewed as an individual and that is all I was speaking of previously. It sucks that you got screwed over by the system but don't blame me for it because as I've said before, I've never personally benefited from it. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| ...don't blame me for it because as I've said before, I've never personally benefited from it. |
Who is blaming you personally? I tried to show you how the problem goes both ways. And it does. Relax. |
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