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Advanced discussion (adults) - topics to avoid?

 
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Advanced discussion (adults) - topics to avoid? Reply with quote

I have an advanced discussion class with students in their twenties and thirties. What topics should we stay away from? Also, does anyone have experience with topics that worked particularly well with these age groups?
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Korea- unless you want a full blown debate with them. But remember it'll be You against Them.

Japan - same reason

USA - same reason

They will work well, too - because they are quite passionate about it.

I have found one particularly interesting topic recently on the FTA agreement - but I have business students and this was an international trade course... not biz English.. so I don't know if that'd make any difference..
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Jeweltone



Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul, S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an older book called "20 Korean Controversies" that I used for my uni public speaking/debate class that worked rather well (seniors-mid to late twenties).

It might be out of print, but I have seen copies at What the Book in Itaewon. Otherwise, PM me, and I will try and help you locate a copy. Some of the topics are a little outdated (ex. dogmeat at World Cup 2002) but you can extend the readings/critical thinking questions into a lively discussion.

I let my students choose four topics from the Table of Contents in the "Controversies" book. They went for the sex/gender topics (adultery, prostitution, etc.), but were quite well-mannered and thoughtful in their presentations. Be careful with these topics however; some students (usually men, surprisingly) are "shy" about them. The girls were highly active on discussing "lookism" (getting a job based on appearance) and, not surprisingly, gender roles.

Also, the "Express Yourself" Series is a good place to start, for high intermediate to advanced students (there are lower levels by the same author also). I have had good luck with both books because they are highly adaptable to different circumstances and levels.

I also keep myself updated on issues in Korea (breaking apart of the family unit, FTA, K Pop star suicides, etc.), and I occasionally print news articles from the Korean Herald or Seoul Times (English edition). The students seem to enjoy having "meat" to chew on rather than "milk" and I have found that their language level goes up DRASTICALLY when they are challenged and intrigued by a topic. Don't be afraid to whack the wasp's nest occasionally.

I guess that was rather long-winded, but I hope it helps.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is more of a "what to do" vs what not to do. I did a debate/conversation class for a year with different guys. They had a really hard time disagreeing with anyone older. Being the "odd one out" was terribly painful for them, so they would totally conform.

So what I did was explained the concept of devils advocate. I would present different viewpoints, and then "assign" the viewpoints to people, and then tell them that they had to think of ways to defend it. Even though they didn't believe it. That really helped relax things because then they could put up the face of 'Oh it was just a game'. Later they didn't have to do that once they were comfortable.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll have to wait until you actually see and talk to your students before you can be pretty sure what topics to avoid.
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diablo3



Joined: 11 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

avoid religion and politics.
try to avoid international issues derived by CNN also because not many Koreans watch it (be it by choice or lack of time)
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crazykiwi



Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the "F" word was always an interseting topic. granted your students are mature enough to get over the giggle factor of it. mine were amzed at the many different uses for it! they thought there was just one, and only one! there is also a pretty good video on it somewhere on youtube. ill try to find it for you.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it depends on:

a) The Students you have in the class...each group has a personality.

b) How you present the topic.

However as the goal is to teach English...the topic needs to one the student will feel confortable with and not a topic the teacher wants to discuss because they want to teach culture instead of language. Wink

So..

North Korea- It can work if presented properly. Talk about Unification for example. Or the Sunshine policy of Kim Dae jung if they are advanced enough.

Japan - Can be done but you need to present it properly. Trying to start a topic about why Japan did nothing wrong will not work...it is not the place of an English teacher to start Historical revisionism....

USA - Good topic, many aspects to explore.

International trade is a good one.

The Environment too.

In short, think of topics your students will want to discuss and will feel confortable with. Topics that will generate discussion and possibly debate. However, avoid cultural preaching like some of us do. For example, do not try to force a discussion on same sex marriage because you believe it is right and needs to be discussed unless you are convinced your class is confortable discussing this.

In short, it is about your students learning, not about the teacher making cultural points...but..I am sure you know that!
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sex, god and the King!
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazykiwi wrote:
the "F" word was always an interseting topic. granted your students are mature enough to get over the giggle factor of it. mine were amzed at the many different uses for it! they thought there was just one, and only one! there is also a pretty good video on it somewhere on youtube. ill try to find it for you.


I had a small class of high-level uni students and I gave them a handout about the "F" word. We also have a lot of foreign students at my school, so my students were pretty comfortable hearing and using the word in many contexts.

One day, I called one of the students in the class and when he answered he said "Who the "f" is this?" Laughing I said "Um...it's ajuma-teacher..." Stunned silence followed by apologies! (He thought it was one of his international friends!) Laughing I now use this as an example of how you have to be REALLY careful when and how you use the "f" word!

As to what topics your students might enjoy...why don't you ask THEM to suggest a few, or ask THEM to bring an article that they found interesting along with a set of questions to ask the rest of the students in the class.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dildos and vibrators: the power that women hold over men.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeehaw, stick it in your gramma: bringing incest to a higher level
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Aussiekimchi



Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything that shines a negative light on Korea you probably want to stay away from.
No one wants to hear a visitor making social commentaries on things they have no idea about.
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